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<p class="yiv8419635407MsoNormal">One of the few places I've found AI to actually be useful for trademark applications is in creating descriptions of a design mark and naming the colors that appear in it. I'm probably going to start relying on AI to do a first draft of both. You can plug a mark into AI and it will immediately tell you the colors, a written description, and any translations. </p>
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<p class="yiv8419635407MsoNormal"> The Office appears to be taking the position that getting the color statement or description of the mark "wrong" -- per the Examining Attorney's subjective opinion -- subjects Applicant to the $100 <u>per-class</u> fee. The asserted 'remedy' is that Applicant can complain that the Office is not being consistent. Which, of course, is not actually the problem at hand. The non-standard text marks are, in general, different, and will have different descriptions. So consistency is not the issue -- it's imposing unpredictable fees based on a difference of opinion. [Comment 36 below.]</p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: sans-serif;">E: <a href="mailto:tim@ackermannlaw.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect">tim@ackermannlaw.com</a><br clear="none">P: 817.305.0690<br clear="none">F: 214.453.0810<br clear="none">W: <a href="http://ackermannlaw.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect"> ackermannlaw.com</a><br clear="none">O: 1701 W. Northwest Hwy. Ste. 100<br clear="none"> Grapevine TX 76051</span></p>
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<p class="yiv8419635407MsoNormal">On Fri, Nov 15, 2024 at 11:12\u202fAM Thilo C. Agthe via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:</p>
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