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--></style></head><body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Yes, but attaching the specimen (or several specimens) is yet one more step to do, adding time and requiring attention to detail rather than streamlining the process. I\u2019m already pining for the good ol\u2019 days\u2026</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Mark</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif">Mark S. Kaufman</span><span lang="NL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif">Kaufman & Kahn, LLP</span><span lang="NL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif">Email: <a href="mailto:kaufman@kaufmankahn.com"><span style="color:#0563c1">kaufman@kaufmankahn.com</span></a> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif"><a href="http://www.kaufmankahn.com/"><span style="color:#0563c1">www.kaufmankahn.com</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif">10 Grand Central</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif">155 East 44<sup>th</sup> Street, 19<sup>th</sup> Floor</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif">New York, NY 10017</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif">Mobile: +1 (917) 453-7807</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif">Tel.: (212) 293-5556, x 2</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><img border="0" width="371" height="51" style="width:3.8645in;height:.5312in" id="Picture_x0020_773047158" src="cid:image002.png@01DB40B5.525DF870"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">This email is intended only for the party to whom it is addressed and may contain privileged or confidential information. 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This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Kevin Grierson <kgrierson@cm.law><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] FW: Try Trademark Center beta</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">Two thoughts:</p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><ol style="margin-top:0in" start="1" type="1"><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in">Clearly a programming oversight on the PTO\u2019s part, don\u2019t know how hard it would be to fix.</li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in">On the other hand, not sure how much of an issue it is, because this will almost certainly arise in the context of a signature link forwarded to the client by an attorney hired by that client to prepare the application. It\u2019s easy enough to forward the specimen as well. So the client won\u2019t see the specimen in the form itself, but the client will not be flying blind as to what is submitted either. </li></ol><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td style="padding:7.5pt 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" 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class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p style="margin:0in"><b><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri (Body)";color:#0f172e">Please note: Culhane Meadows is now CM Law</span></i></b></p></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>O'Connell Jr., Robert via E-trademarks<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 26, 2024 7:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> O'Connell Jr., Robert <<a href="mailto:robert.oconnell@orrick.com">robert.oconnell@orrick.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] FW: Try Trademark Center beta</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td style="padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt"><div style="border:solid red 3.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;line-height:12.0pt;background:red"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:white">EXTERNAL EMAIL</span></p></div></td></tr></table><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:green">Meanwhile, I have a different question about the new application form in TM Center Beta. My paralegal and I have been tentatively trying it out, and we did (or tried to do) our first use-based application today. And when I received the link to review prior to sending to the client for e-signature, I was surprised that I was unable to view the specimen that had been uploaded. Am I missing something? My paralegal called the Trademark Assistance Center and they confirmed that only the person who prepared the form (my paralegal) can see the specimen; anyone to whom she forwards the link cannot.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:green"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:green">So it appears that TM Center Beta is expecting applicants (whose applications are prepared by outside counsel) to sign something under the pains and penalties of perjury, <i>without letting them see everything they are signing</i>. Again, am I missing something? What possible justification can there be for that?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:green"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:green">SMH, as the kids would say.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:green"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:green"> </span></p><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="362" style="width:271.2pt;border-collapse:collapse"><tr style="height:53.4pt"><td width="108" valign="top" style="width:80.75pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:53.4pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;line-height:120%"><img width="89" height="50" style="width:.927in;height:.5208in" src="cid:image008.png@01DB40B5.69BA5900" align="left" hspace="12"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:120%;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#006600"></span></p></td><td width="254" valign="top" style="width:190.45pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:53.4pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:76.5pt"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333e48">Robert M. 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This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Emil Ali <<a href="mailto:emil@mccabeali.com">emil@mccabeali.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] FW: Try Trademark Center beta</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p><strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:white;background:red"> [EXTERNAL] </span></strong></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">As someone who works in the ethics space, I get this question about a lot of various companies. I\u2019ll address it as to \u201cLegalZoom,\u201d which is what you specifically asked. </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">To the extent you are seeing filings from that company, my understanding is that they are in fact coming from a real law firm\u2014 LZ Legal Services. These applications are reviewed and filed by real lawyers. Therefore, they are permitted to practice just like you and I would be.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On the other hand, I also get asked about other online filing providers where the applicant never speaks to an attorney, and they are filed \u201cpro se.\u201d Many members of this listserv likely receive clients who get Office Actions associated with those filings, and my understanding is those types of companies do not do Office Action responses, and don\u2019t otherwise have attorneys involved in the process.</p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">As to why the USPTO has not taken action against those (latter) companies who are filing pro se marks\u2014my guess is as good as yours. However, one can surmise that they are busy focusing on solo practitioners who work with applicants from China. For those of you that don\u2019t know, Brad Behar, outside counsel for Amazon, has been filing \u201canonymous\u201d grievances with the USPTO against almost twenty trademark lawyers. Contrary to what Amazon says, it appears that they do maintain a blacklist, and do take action against those who complain about being put on the blacklist.</p></div><div id="ms-outlook-mobile-signature"><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%"><tr><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:1.5pt"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#9dc435">Emil J. 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This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Laura Geyer <<a href="mailto:lgeyer@ndgallilaw.com">lgeyer@ndgallilaw.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] FW: Try Trademark Center beta</span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">And here\u2019s where I note that a decent number of \u201coh, crap, my app got refused why?\u201d clients and potential client contacts are because of a LegalZoom filing. Why are they even able to operate?</p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#174e86">Laura Talley Geyer</span></b><span style="color:#333333"> | </span><b><span style="color:#666666">Of Counsel</span></b><span style="color:black"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#174e86"> </span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#174e86">ND Galli Law LLC</span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal">1200 G Street, N.W., Ste 800</p><p class="MsoNormal">Washington, DC 20005</p><p class="MsoNormal">Tel: (202) 599-9019 (direct)</p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://ndgallilaw.com/laura-geyer/">https://ndgallilaw.com/laura-geyer/</a></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://ndgallilaw.com/">https://ndgallilaw.com/</a></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael D. Steger via E-trademarks<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 22, 2024 4:33 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.' <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Michael D. Steger <<a href="mailto:msteger@steger-law.com">msteger@steger-law.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] FW: Try Trademark Center beta</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="color:#cc0000">EXTERNAL EMAIL</span></b></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Keep in mind also that many filings by folks that use non-attorney services show up as pro se filings. If one uses LegalZoom, then one\u2019s own name and email address are listed as the attorney of record. </p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kevin Grierson via E-trademarks<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 22, 2024 4:28 PM<br><b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Kevin Grierson <<a href="mailto:kgrierson@cm.law">kgrierson@cm.law</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] FW: Try Trademark Center beta</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">If I understand Pam\u2019s statement correctly, she was indicating that most applications are filed either by pro se filers OR by attorneys who aren\u2019t TM specialists. I\u2019d still be surprised if the percent of knowledgeable filers was as low as Pam mentioned, but given the quality of the filings I\u2019ve seen in a lot of my searches, it wouldn\u2019t surprise me if more than 50% of filers are either pro se or lawyers who \u201cdabble\u201d in trademark law. If you add in the trademark mills, that percentage could be substantially higher.</p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td style="padding:7.5pt 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:7.5pt 0in 0in 0in"><p><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0f172e">Kevin Grierson</span></b><b><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:remialcxesans;color:white">\u200b</span></b><b><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:template-5QSGLunPEem16QANOhMLNA;color:white">\u200b</span></b><b><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:zone-1;color:white">\u200b</span></b><b><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:zones-AQ;color:white">\u200b</span></b></p></td></tr></table></td><td valign="bottom" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="bottom" style="padding:0in 2.25pt 0in 2.25pt"><p><span style="color:gray">|</span></p></td></tr></table></td><td nowrap valign="bottom" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><p><span style="color:gray">Partner</span></p></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:.75pt 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"></td><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"></td><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><p><span style="color:gray"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><a href="tel:757-726-7799" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:gray;text-decoration:none">757-726-7799</span></a></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"></td><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><p><span style="color:gray"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><a href="" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:gray;text-decoration:none">866-521-5663</span></a></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"></td><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><p><span style="color:gray"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><a href="mailto:kgrierson@cm.law" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:gray;text-decoration:none">kgrierson@cm.law</span></a></span></p></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p><b><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#0f172e">Please note: Culhane Meadows is now CM Law</span></i></b></p></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken Boone via E-trademarks<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 22, 2024 4:18 PM<br><b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Ken Boone <<a href="mailto:boondogles@hotmail.com">boondogles@hotmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] FW: Try Trademark Center beta</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="3" cellpadding="0"><tr><td style="padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt"><div style="border:solid red 3.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;line-height:12.0pt;background:red"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:white">EXTERNAL EMAIL</span></p></div></td></tr></table><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">If it helps, the two searches below suggest that 400,962/511,679 = </span><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">78.362%</span></b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> of TEAS filings for calendar year 2024 have an attorney of record entry (where, in theory, pro se applicants do not include an attorney of record in their TEAS applications). </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">511,679 results for FD:[20240101 TO 20241231] AND SN:98*</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">400,962 results for FD:[20240101 TO 20241231] AND SN:98* AND AT:*</span></p></div><div id="Signature"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">____________________</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Ken Boone</span></p></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><hr size="1" width="100%" align="center"></div><div id="divRplyFwdMsg"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> E-trademarks <</span><a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">> on behalf of Crane, Susan via E-trademarks <</span><a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">><br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 22, 2024 2:59 PM<br><b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <</span><a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">><br><b>Cc:</b> Crane, Susan <</span><a href="mailto:susan.crane@wyndham.com"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">susan.crane@wyndham.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] FW: Try Trademark Center beta</span> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div></div><div><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I found an article in the Trademark Reporter with statistics up through 2019 that showed appx. 75% filed by an attorney.</span></p><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0072ce">Susan L. Crane</span></b></p><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#51534a">Group Vice President, Legal</span></b></p><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#51534a">Intellectual Property, Brands & Marketing</span></b></p><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#51534a"> </span></p><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#51534a">Wyndham Hotels & Resorts, Inc.</span></p><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#51534a">22 Sylvan Way</span></p><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#51534a">Parsippany, NJ 07054</span></p><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#51534a">O</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#51534a"> (973) 753-6455</span></p><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#51534a">M</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#51534a"> (973) 879-3420</span></p><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><a href="mailto:Susan.Crane@wyndham.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0563c1">Susan.Crane@wyndham.com</span></a></p><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#51534a"> </span></p><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks <</span><a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Janice Housey via E-trademarks<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 22, 2024 3:44 PM<br><b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <</span><a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br><b>Cc:</b> Janice Housey <</span><a href="mailto:jhousey@litmuslaw.com"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">jhousey@litmuslaw.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] FW: Try Trademark Center beta</span></p></div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> </p><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">Pam\u2014 If I read your email correctly you are saying that 15% of applications are filed at the USPTO by trademark attorneys? This seems widely inaccurate. I am sure like many on this list when I am analyzing a mark cited as a 2(d) and/or one raised</span></p></div><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart</span></p></div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-radius:4px"><tr><td style="padding:12.0pt 0in 12.0pt 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;background:#d0d8dc;border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 3.0pt;border-color:currentcolor currentcolor"><tr><td valign="top" style="border:none;padding:0in 7.5pt 3.75pt 4.5pt"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" align="left"><tr><td style="padding:3.0pt 6.0pt 3.0pt 6.0pt"><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">This Message Is From an External Sender </span></b></p></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:3.0pt 6.0pt 3.0pt 6.0pt"><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. </span></p></td></tr></table><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" align="right"><tr><td style="padding:3.0pt 0in 3.0pt 0in"><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> <a href="https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/Nf401RNTQFE14GfWW3o!k6aJC7FNz0F74Ms32hPHH1UqOdD2VJZk9uhLJpAozeuYcnkdhnF7-0dZ8GU4raY5WUVR77xNw6MkwMYD9cpOdblhhQOY2o9xVhx-nRgQNn6gAV_2lolRnHLt4LNFEN13Eq8IeEE0lgPR$" target="_blank"><strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;border:solid #666666 1.0pt;padding:6.0pt;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none"> Report Suspicious </span></strong></a> \u200c </p></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></td></tr></table><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd</span></p></div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in">Pam\u2014</p><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> </p><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in">If I read your email correctly you are saying that 15% of applications are filed at the USPTO by trademark attorneys? This seems widely inaccurate. I am sure like many on this list when I am analyzing a mark cited as a 2(d) and/or one raised in a search-- I look to see who filed the application etc. as part of my analysis. While this is not a scientific method, I would say that it is more like 85% of applications and registrations I need to look at in more depth are filed by a trademark practitioner. Of course, under current rules ANY application (or maintenance document) filed on behalf of a non-U.S. owner, must be filed by a U.S. attorney. That alone would seem to raise the numbers. 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If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender and destroy all copies, hard and electronic, in your possession. Thank you.</span><span lang="DE" style="color:#b02525;background:white"> </span></p></div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> </p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks <</span><a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kevin Grierson via E-trademarks<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 22, 2024 11:52 AM<br><b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <</span><a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br><b>Cc:</b> Kevin Grierson <</span><a href="mailto:kgrierson@cm.law"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">kgrierson@cm.law</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] FW: Try Trademark Center beta</span></p></div></div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> </p><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in">That\u2019s an interesting insight, thanks. I\u2019d be really curious to see a demographic breakdown of filers, if such a thing exists. </p><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> </p><div><div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td style="padding:7.5pt 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" 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cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p><b><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#0f172e">Please note: Culhane Meadows is now CM Law</span></i></b></p></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></div></div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> </p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks <</span><a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Pamela Chestek via E-trademarks<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 22, 2024 11:46 AM<br><b>To:</b> </span><a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br><b>Cc:</b> Pamela Chestek <</span><a href="mailto:pamela@chesteklegal.com"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">pamela@chesteklegal.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] FW: Try Trademark Center beta</span></p></div></div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> </p><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="3" cellpadding="0"><tr><td style="padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt"><div style="border:solid red 3.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><p class="xmsonormal" align="center" style="margin:0in;text-align:center;line-height:12.0pt;background:red"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:white">EXTERNAL EMAIL</span></p></div></td></tr></table><div><p>I asked a trademark examining attorney one time what their estimate was on the number of applications they process that are from experienced trademark attorneys, rather than pro se or the passing lawyer who does applications as part of their general practice. Their estimate was 15%. We are a very small part of the user base and they won't be optimizing for us.</p><p>Pam</p><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in">Pamela S. Chestek<br>Chestek Legal<br>PLEASE NOTE OUR NEW MAILING ADDRESS<br>4641 Post St.<br>Unit 4316<br>El Dorado Hills, CA 95762<br>+1 919-800-8033<br>pamela@chesteklegal<br><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.chesteklegal.com/__;!!Nf401RNTQFE14GfWW3o!lDgTKvxMeiROH7S0BWfLX4Nfd6BlP3qm6hLZDyN7PUSqv9WsogL1m3caK_kB4-UzkPWbgB36zyzfdVlLsUwimdDqefl0lVY$">www.chesteklegal.com</a></p></div><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in">On 11/22/2024 8:40 AM, Kevin Grierson via E-trademarks wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in">I\u2019m all for making the USPTO as accessible as possible. But making the trademark filing center mobile-friendly to the detriment of the majority of the user base doesn\u2019t seem like a particularly sensible approach. They could, for example, have created an app for mobile users, or they could have created separate versions of the website for mobile devices and desktops. They could even have created two separate filing paths, one with more explicit steps and instructions (and more screens) for pro se filers and another for regular filers that more closely resembles what we have in TEAS now. </p><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> </p><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in">And I have to wonder what percent of filers fall into the category you describe. I don\u2019t imagine many people who live on less than $30K and have no internet access other than their phones are going to be willing or able to pay $350 or more for a trademark application, and unlike the patent side of the PTO, there\u2019s no discount for small or micro entities for TM filings. </p><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> </p><div><div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td style="padding:7.5pt 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:7.5pt 0in 0in 0in"><p><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0f172e">Kevin Grierson</span></b><b><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:remialcxesans;color:white">\u200b</span></b><b><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:template-5QSGLunPEem16QANOhMLNA;color:white">\u200b</span></b><b><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:zone-1;color:white">\u200b</span></b><b><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:zones-AQ;color:white">\u200b</span></b></p></td></tr></table></td><td valign="bottom" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="bottom" style="padding:0in 2.25pt 0in 2.25pt"><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">|</span></p></td></tr></table></td><td nowrap valign="bottom" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Partner</span></p></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:.75pt 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"></td><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"></td><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <a href="tel:757-726-7799" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">757-726-7799</span></a></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"></td><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <a href="" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">866-521-5663</span></a></span></p></td></tr><tr><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"></td><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <a href="mailto:kgrierson@cm.law" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">kgrierson@cm.law</span></a></span></p></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p><b><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Please note: Culhane Meadows is now CM Law</span></i></b></p></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></div></div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> </p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks </span><a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rachael Dickson via E-trademarks<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 22, 2024 11:27 AM<br><b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. </span><a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com></span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br><b>Cc:</b> Rachael Dickson </span><a href="mailto:rachael@catalyticlaw.com"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><rachael@catalyticlaw.com></span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] FW: Try Trademark Center beta</span></p></div></div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> </p><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="3" cellpadding="0"><tr><td style="padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt"><div style="border:solid red 3.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><p class="xmsonormal" align="center" style="margin:0in;text-align:center;line-height:12.0pt;background:red"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:white">EXTERNAL EMAIL</span></p></div></td></tr></table><div><div><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in">I suspect that this feature is not, in fact, intended for trademark attorneys, but for the 15% of U.S. adults who are smartphone-only internet users - who have a smartphone, but do not have home internet access. This is seen most commonly in adults with an annual income of $30,000 or less.</p></div><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> </p></div><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in">Seems like it would be nice if they could file a trademark application too, even if they don't have access to a computer, yes?</p></div><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> </p></div><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.pewresearch.org/internet/fact-sheet/mobile/?tabItem=011fca0d-9756-4f48-b352-d58f343696bf*smartphone-dependency-over-time__;Iw!!Nf401RNTQFE14GfWW3o!lDgTKvxMeiROH7S0BWfLX4Nfd6BlP3qm6hLZDyN7PUSqv9WsogL1m3caK_kB4-UzkPWbgB36zyzfdVlLsUwimdDqSf0ma4Q$">https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/fact-sheet/mobile/?tabItem=011fca0d-9756-4f48-b352-d58f343696bf#smartphone-dependency-over-time</a></p></div><div><div><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> </p><div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" 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1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in">I mean, I\u2019m sure that there are examples of programmers designing a UI who were more out of touch with their user base, but I honestly can\u2019t think of any offhand. </p><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> </p><div><div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td style="padding:7.5pt 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:7.5pt 0in 0in 0in"><p><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0f172e">Kevin Grierson</span></b><b><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:remialcxesans;color:white">\u200b</span></b><b><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:template-5QSGLunPEem16QANOhMLNA;color:white">\u200b</span></b><b><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:zone-1;color:white">\u200b</span></b><b><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:zones-AQ;color:white">\u200b</span></b></p></td></tr></table></td><td valign="bottom" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table 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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Please note: Culhane Meadows is now CM Law</span></i></b></p></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></div></div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> </p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks <</span><a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Kaufman via E-trademarks<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 22, 2024 10:40 AM<br><b>To:</b> Annette Heller <</span><a href="mailto:tmattorneyheller@aol.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">tmattorneyheller@aol.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>; For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <</span><a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br><b>Cc:</b> Mark Kaufman <</span><a href="mailto:kaufman@kaufmankahn.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">kaufman@kaufmankahn.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] FW: Try Trademark Center beta</span></p></div></div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> </p><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="3" cellpadding="0"><tr><td style="padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt"><div style="border:solid red 3.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><p class="xmsonormal" align="center" style="margin:0in;text-align:center;line-height:12.0pt;background:red"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:white">EXTERNAL EMAIL</span></p></div></td></tr></table><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in">\u201cOh, the kids are gonna love this\u2026\u201d </p><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> </p></div><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in">Thanks,</p></div><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in">Mark</p><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in">Mark S. 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Thank you in advance for your cooperation and courtesy.</p><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> </p></div><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in"><br>On Nov 22, 2024, at 10:39<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span>AM, Annette Heller via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:</p></div><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">\ufeff</span> </p><div><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Why would one file an application on a mobile phone? No I will not be filing on a phone!!!!</span></p></div><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Annette</span></p></div><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:0in"> </p><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Annette P. Heller<br>Trademark/Copyright Attorney<br>TM Law & Associates<br>400 Chesterfield Center Ste 400<br>Chesterfield [St Louis] MO 63017<br><br></span><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.trademarkatty.com/__;!!Nf401RNTQFE14GfWW3o!lDgTKvxMeiROH7S0BWfLX4Nfd6BlP3qm6hLZDyN7PUSqv9WsogL1m3caK_kB4-UzkPWbgB36zyzfdVlLsUwimdDqUSqxkw0$" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">www.TrademarkAtty.com</span></a><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><br><br>314-469-2610 Fax 314-469-4850</span></p></div></div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in">In a message dated 11/22/2024 9:07:50 AM Central Standard Time, <a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a> writes: </p><div><p class="xmsonormal" style="margin:0in"> </p></div><div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><p class="xm6767197913933425449yiv3648966053msonormal" style="margin:0in">Have to shake my head at the top feature they tout on this email for the new TM Center\u2014\u201ca mobile-friendly design\u201d?!? Maybe I\u2019m just a dinosaur, but are any of you preparing and filing trademark applications from your smartphone? </p><p class="xm6767197913933425449yiv3648966053msonormal" style="margin:0in"> </p><div><div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td style="padding:7.5pt 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" 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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">From:</span></strong><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> U.S. Patent and Trademark Office <</span><a href="mailto:subscriptioncenter@subscriptions.uspto.gov" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">subscriptioncenter@subscriptions.uspto.gov</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">> <br><strong><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Sent:</span></strong> Friday, November 22, 2024 10:03 AM<br><strong><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">To:</span></strong> Kevin Grierson <</span><a href="mailto:kgrierson@cm.law" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">kgrierson@cm.law</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">><br><strong><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Subject:</span></strong> Try Trademark Center beta</span></p></div></div><p 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cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="600" style="width:6.25in;border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:0px"><tr id="x_m_6767197913933425449yiv3648966053abe-section-row-c403d683-49da-4bd5-877a-721df8ddef27"><td style="padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><div><div align="center"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="max-width:6.25in;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td valign="top" style="background:white;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><div align="center"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td width="600" valign="top" style="width:6.25in;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in"><div id="x_m_6767197913933425449yiv3648966053abe-column-block-0dedbed8-9500-46da-ae67-660e91ed433b"><div align="center"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width:100.0%;border-collapse:collapse"><tr><td style="padding:0in 15.0pt 15.0pt 15.0pt"><h2 style="margin-bottom:11.25pt"><span style="font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Try Trademark Center beta</span></h2><p class="xm6767197913933425449yiv3648966053msonormal" style="margin:0in"><img border="0" width="559" height="373" style="width:5.8229in;height:3.8854in" id="Picture_x0020_11" src="cid:image020.png@01DB40B5.525DF870" alt="Trademark
Center Beta
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The cost to file remains the same in both systems. </span></p></div><div><p style="margin-bottom:11.25pt"><strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Transition from TEAS</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p style="margin-bottom:11.25pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Over the next few years, we\u2019ll gradually transition all trademark forms from TEAS and TEAS International (TEASi) to Trademark Center.</span></p></div><div><p style="margin-bottom:11.25pt"><strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Trademark Center features</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p style="margin-bottom:11.25pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">We designed Trademark Center with valuable feedback from attorneys, paralegals, entrepreneurs, and business owners. 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