<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">At the risk of making some ignorant sounding noises .. is there a form for PoA other than the ones I've seen for prosecuting patent applications?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">db</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 3, 2024 at 10:43\u202fAM Annette Heller via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-weight:400">Since attorneys can sign applications, 8&15 and renewals on the client behalf, then it is very easy for an attorney to file and pay for a renewal if the intent is to hi-jack the trademark for Amazon use.<br></span></div>
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In a message dated 12/3/2024 12:39:20 PM Central Standard Time, <a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a> writes:
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<p><strong><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif">From:</span></strong><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif"> E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>asarabia2 via E-trademarks<br clear="none"><strong>Sent:</strong> Tuesday, December 3, 2024 1:20 PM<br clear="none"><strong>To:</strong> <a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a><br clear="none"><strong>Cc:</strong> asarabia2 <<a href="mailto:asarabia2@gmail.com" target="_blank">asarabia2@gmail.com</a>><br clear="none"><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [E-trademarks] TM Scam?</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:sans-serif">I am not sure about the State Bar complaint until you know more and until after the holiday season. One mystery is why some random attorney would pay the renewal fee. That is a gift to your client. You might check for other trademarks at the Patent and Trademark Office for which the attorney represents the owner.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:sans-serif">100% agree on the power of attorney filing. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:sans-serif">Regards,</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:sans-serif">Tony <br clear="none"><br clear="none">IP Business Law, Inc.<br clear="none">320 via Pasqual<br clear="none">Redondo Beach, CA 90277<br clear="none">(310)377-5171<br clear="none"><a href="http://www.calrestitution.com/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank">www.calrestitution.com</a> </span></p>
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<p>On 12/3/2024 10:02 AM, Eric Morton via E-trademarks wrote:</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:11pt">Is this attorney real? I\u2019d check the attorney\u2019s bar number and look up the attorney with the state bar. A complaint with that attorney\u2019s state bar is in order. </span></p>
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<p><strong><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif">From:</span></strong><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:sans-serif"> E-trademarks <a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank"><e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></a> <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Tim Ackermann via E-trademarks<br clear="none"><strong>Sent:</strong> Tuesday, December 03, 2024 9:03 AM<br clear="none"><strong>To:</strong> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank"><e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br clear="none"><strong>Cc:</strong> Tim Ackermann <a href="mailto:tim@ackermannlaw.com" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank"><tim@ackermannlaw.com></a><br clear="none"><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [E-trademarks] TM Scam?</span></p>
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<p> I'd consider filing a power of attorney ASAP. This is probably not the case -- I don't want to assume attorney malfeasance -- but it's not impossible.</p>
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<p> What I'd be worried about is some kind of Amazon / brand-ownership hijacking. Assuming you didn't have a filed power of attorney, the USPTO stopped recognizing you as the attorney upon registration (or completion of earlier maintenance filing) under 37 C.F.R. §2.17(g). Then, once this new attorney files the renewal, the new attorney is recognized under 37 C.F.R. §2.17(b)(1), right? And that attorney will get any kind of emails from Amazon, or Walmart, or whoever now uses that method of verifying brand ownership, under 37 C.F.R. §2.18.</p>
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<p> I just don't see another point for paying the client's USPTO fees when you are not going to be reimbursed. And the "we're on vacation and not responding" might just be a dodge. </p>
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<p>We wrote to a client to renew a registration (due in a year, but inspired by the upcoming increase in PTO fees). Client said they\u2019d send payment. Before we renewed, another U.S. attorney had filed and paid the fee for renewal. Disappointed, I wrote to the client. Client said that they didn\u2019t know who the new attorney was, and that client had mailed me a check to do the work. An email to the new attorney semi-bounces back with the following message:</p>
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<p style="margin-left:0.5in">XYZ Law Firm will be away on vacation for the 2024-2025 holiday season. Afterward [the firm] will begin the winding up process. If you have any questions this email will be monitored sparingly but questions will be addressed in time. [The Firm\u2019s] Intellectual Property web services have been faulty since 9/4/2024. If assistance is needed concerning a prior response please call.</p>
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<p>I\u2019m not sure if the \u201c2024-2025 holiday season\u201d means the entire month of December. A phone call to new attorney\u2019s cell phone doesn\u2019t answer, and \u201cmailbox is full.\u201d I\u2019ve sent a text message, but am not optimistic about getting a response.</p>
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<p>So: I guess I\u2019ll send the foregoing to <a href="mailto:TMscam@uspto.gov" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank">TMscam@uspto.gov</a> and, if anyone thinks it\u2019s advisable, to the Post Registration Department. But the curious thing about this hijacking is that the new, unauthorized \u201claw firm\u201d, in the process of taking over the registration, paid the filing fee. Maybe they intend to assign the registration to some other scammer\u2026</p>
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<p>I welcome your thoughts and suggestions.</p>
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<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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<p><span lang="NL" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:serif">Mark S. Kaufman</span></p>
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