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<p class="MsoNormal">Even if the specimen is legitimate, I don\u2019t think it\u2019s a valid filing if the party filing it isn\u2019t the registrant or an authorized attorney, though a legitimate specimen might indicate that the filer at least believed he or she was authorized.
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<p><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Kevin has a good point, might be a fraudulent filing.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Was the specimen filed legit?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hard to see how this is in any way a gift to the client. Unless the client is mistaken and someone with authority at the client authorized the filing, the filing was not made or signed by the client or an authorized representative of the
client, but was signed by someone purporting to represent the client. I don\u2019t think that filing can be authorized after the fact.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">I am not sure about the State Bar complaint until you know more and until after the holiday season. One mystery is why some random attorney would pay the renewal fee. That is a gift to your client. You might
check for other trademarks at the Patent and Trademark Office for which the attorney represents the owner.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">100% agree on the power of attorney filing.
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<p><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Tony <br>
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IP Business Law, Inc.<br>
320 via Pasqual<br>
Redondo Beach, CA 90277<br>
(310)377-5171<br>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tim Ackermann via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 03, 2024 9:03 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.
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<b>Cc:</b> Tim Ackermann <a href="mailto:tim@ackermannlaw.com" target="_blank"><tim@ackermannlaw.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] TM Scam?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> I'd consider filing a power of attorney ASAP. This is probably not the case -- I don't want to assume attorney malfeasance -- but it's not impossible.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> What I'd be worried about is some kind of Amazon / brand-ownership hijacking. Assuming you didn't have a filed power of attorney, the USPTO stopped recognizing you as the attorney upon registration (or completion of earlier maintenance
filing) under 37 C.F.R. §2.17(g). Then, once this new attorney files the renewal, the new attorney is recognized under 37 C.F.R. §2.17(b)(1), right? And that attorney will get any kind of emails from Amazon, or Walmart, or whoever now uses that method of verifying
brand ownership, under 37 C.F.R. §2.18.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> I just don't see another point for paying the client's USPTO fees when you are not going to be reimbursed. And the "we're on vacation and not responding" might just be a dodge. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 3, 2024 at 10:41<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">\u202f</span>AM Mark Kaufman via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We wrote to a client to renew a registration (due in a year, but inspired by the upcoming increase in PTO fees). Client said they\u2019d send payment. Before we renewed, another U.S.
attorney had filed and paid the fee for renewal. Disappointed, I wrote to the client. Client said that they didn\u2019t know who the new attorney was, and that client had mailed me a check to do the work. An email to the new attorney semi-bounces back with
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XYZ Law Firm will be away on vacation for the 2024-2025 holiday season. Afterward [the firm] will begin the winding up process. If you have any questions this email will be monitored sparingly but questions will be addressed in time. [The Firm\u2019s] Intellectual
Property web services have been faulty since 9/4/2024. If assistance is needed concerning a prior response please call.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I\u2019m not sure if the \u201c2024-2025 holiday season\u201d means the entire month of December. A phone call to new attorney\u2019s cell phone doesn\u2019t answer, and \u201cmailbox is full.\u201d I\u2019ve sent a
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<p class="MsoNormal">So: I guess I\u2019ll send the foregoing to
<a href="mailto:TMscam@uspto.gov" target="_blank">TMscam@uspto.gov</a> and, if anyone thinks it\u2019s advisable, to the Post Registration Department. But the curious thing about this hijacking is that the new, unauthorized \u201claw firm\u201d, in the process of taking
over the registration, paid the filing fee. Maybe they intend to assign the registration to some other scammer\u2026<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I welcome your thoughts and suggestions.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
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