<div dir="ltr"><div>James, </div><div> I think what is happening here is the ExAtty is just relying without thought on the TMEP but that section expressly does not preclude such addresses from being a domicile. The section you quote says "but generally may not", not "may not." Have you submitted evidence that the client does actually direct and control the entity's activities from that specific location? </div><div>Tim Ackermann</div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small">The Ackermann Law Firm</div><p><font face="verdana, sans-serif" size="1"><span style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial">E: <a href="mailto:tim@ackermannlaw.com" target="_blank">tim@ackermannlaw.com</a></span><br><span style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial">P: 817.305.0690</span><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Yup, I just got one of these myself. In our case, the client was only using the space for mail, so the objection was annoying but reasonable. But I wondered the same myself - my firm\u2019s DC office is in just the sort of space you describe because
there\u2019s no need for a full time brick and mortar space. But there are plenty of businesses around me that are renting from Regus/Spaces and this is their everyday place of work and headquarters. Why should it matter that some people use such a space as a mailing
address when another applicant uses it as a permanent workspace? I would write the supervising attorney, because this is nuts if it is someone\u2019s regular business location. Are they going to demand that the lease be at least X months long? What\u2019s the difference
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<div dir="ltr">Or maybe another list member with more USPTO-fu might have a suggestion for something truly ridiculous that\u2019s apparently been made sweeping among Examiners. \U0001f644\U0001f644\U0001f644\U0001f644\U0001f644</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Oh, and are they going to start charging for you having to argue about the domicile requirement? It\u2019s as if they are going out of their way to make sure as many home addresses as possible get to be part of the, what, 5th major databreach? </div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 6, 2024 6:20:47 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] "Coworking" offices and domicile</font>
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<div>My client rents a solely-controlled, closed-door office through a Regus/WeWork type facility \u2014 similar to many coworking spaces where companies can rent an entire area and control it as an actual corporate office. The leadership meets there, coordinates
corporate activities there (cloud software), holds client meetings there, and receives mail there. I confess that I have many similarly-situated clients.</div>
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<div>I have received my first-ever final refusal alleging that these types of office arrangements cannot demonstrate domicile. The specific reference is TMEP 601.01(c)(i):<br>
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"These addresses, <b>along with virtual office and shared workspace addresses</b>, can be a mailing address, but generally may not serve as domicile addresses because they do not identify . . . the location of a juristic entity\u2019s headquarters where the entity\u2019s
senior executives or officers ordinarily direct and control the entity\u2019s activities (for a juristic entity)."</div>
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<div>Despite protestations and proofs, the office action states:<br>
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"Domicile address cannot be accepted. Applicant must provide its current domicile street address because the domicile address of record identifies an address for a coworking facility, which is not an acceptable type of domicile address for a juristic applicant.
TMEP §601.01(c)(i). That is, this address does not identify applicant\u2019s principal place of business."</div>
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<div>Thoughts? Experiences? My read of the TMEP is that a mere hot desk coworking situation (which we don't have here) may be insufficient, but why would a real, existing office offered by a WeWork or Regus not function for domicile?</div>
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