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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Schoolbook",serif;color:black">Taking off from your reference to \u201cmuggles\u201d I am reminded of science fiction author Arthur C. Clarke\u2019s observation that \u201cany sufficiently advanced technology
is indistinguishable from magic.\u201d </span><a href="https://www.socratic-method.com/quote-meanings-interpretations/arthur-c-clarke-any-sufficiently-advanced-technology-is-indistinguishable-from-magic">Arthur C. Clarke: 'Any sufficiently advanced technology
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Kaufman via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 17, 2024 7:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Mark Kaufman <kaufman@kaufmankahn.com>; e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Use of TM/SM in US<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Haven\u2019t seen the use of the word \u201cnormies\u201d, but when I noted something in the advertising world to my son who works for an ad agency, he wrote, \u201cI hadn\u2019t realized that muggles knew about that yet\u2026\u201d<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Dec 16, 2024, at 6:24\u202fPM, Bosland Law via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I\u2019ve heard that one from the normies, but not from counsel. How embarrassing\u2026<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That is an inaccurate statement. In the United States, the TM/SM designations may be used to denote the claim of common law rights in a mark. No pending application is required.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 6:02\u202fPM Lara Pearson via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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A US trademark attorney posted on LinkedIn today that use of TM/SM is reserved for those with pending apps. I don't believe this is accurate (and neither does ChatGPT
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Law Office of Lara Pearson Ltd, PBC & Brand Geek<br>
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