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<p>Agreed. The search system is poorly and inadequately documented,
does not comply with its own documentation, and fails to permit
many categories of search that would be applicant-friendly. The
system was designed and optimized for Examining Attorneys, not
customers, and in those instances where the system does actually
serve a real customer need this is only by accident and not
because the system designers were actually considering the real
needs of paying customers.</p>
<p>But yes, Ken has been able to tease out clever search results
despite being outside the USPTO and despite the poor and incorrect
documentation.</p>
<p>My main point here is, the people in management at the Trademark
Office could simply read Ken's listserv postings and follow a
"monkey see monkey do" approach. Simply learn from the posting
how to do the search and make use of it.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/17/2024 9:42 AM, Sam Castree via
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<div><span><span><span class="gmail_default">Do we
really think that people at the PTO can handle
the search system as well as Ken?
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<p>Yes and Ken Boone has been doing a variety of son-of-TESS
searches in recent months that are designed to try to
sniff out clusters of applications that sound similar to
this kind of fact pattern. He keeps finding various ways
to craft a search and he keeps finding whole tranches of
applications that seem to be stalled in one way or
another.</p>
<p>Which raises the natural question -- why is there
(apparently) nobody at the Trademark Office monitoring
this kind of thing and doing whatever is needed to break
logjams? If Ken can do a search and with a few mouse
clicks find 200 or 700 applications that are stalled in a
particular way, why is there no one in management at the
Trademark Office doing those searches and taking
appropriate corrective steps?<br>
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<div>On 12/17/2024 8:07 AM, Kevin Grierson via E-trademarks
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<p class="MsoNormal">Side note to this—it appears that
the PTO has a habit of just taking no action on
suspicious applications/filers until it figures out
what to do with them. Case in point: one of my
partners has an application suspended because of a
prior pending application. That application (and 7
others by the same applicant) were filed roughly a
year ago but no action has been taken on any of them.
The applicant has a real attorney—at least, the
applications indicate they were filed by an attorney
licensed in NY, and this person is actually licensed
there—but that attorney, despite being admitted to the
bar only in 2021, has filed over 4000 applications to
date. There are no notes in the files of the blocking
application or its 7 companions, no letter of protest
or something else that would explain why the PTO has
just allowed these applications to sit even as they
otherwise seem to be getting pendency down a bit. Who
knows how long we’ll have to wait until the PTO acts
and the suspension is lifted?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span>
E-trademarks <a
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moz-do-not-send="true"><e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken Boone via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 16, 2024 11:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
href="mailto:E-Trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">E-Trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Ken Boone <a
href="mailto:boondogles@hotmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><boondogles@hotmail.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Application
in Limbo</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I have watched this
discussion from afar from the beginning. I hope
the originator has found a USPTO contact
sympathetic to his concerns. Meanwhile, ...</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>While the <b>SA - Status</b> field
on Trademark Search remains a bit of a mystery
(as the contents of that field are not displayed
but, from my experience, that contents typically
does NOT match the status description displayed
on TSDR, eliminating the option of an exact
match search of the TSDR status text on
Trademark Search), I see <b><u>314 pending
trademarks</u></b> for the search </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>SA:(review AND
registration) AND LD:true AND PO:* NOT
(UD:[20240301 TO *] RN:*)</span></b><span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>suggesting that "</span><b><i><span>Review
prior to registration completed</span></i></b><span>"
(the TSDR status of the pending marks I checked
for that search) is yet another USPTO </span><b><i><span>purgatory</span></i></b><b><span> </span></b><span>status
waiting complaints from the owner/attorney of
record for further action by the USPTO. As
noted, that search retrieves 314 pending
trademarks today, where one of those pending
trademarks appears to be the trademark inspiring
this E-Trademarks discussion.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Curious? Well, the
search</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>UD:[20241216 TO *] AND
SN:( 86980509 87769203 88110411 88232431
88472833 88756971 88789436 88843007 90057103
90521117 90706772 90735034 90753596 90780559
90783862 90804195 90812917 90822910 90872681
90887866 90899852 90979928 90979981 90980019
90980045 97017090 97031122 97067424 97075031
97100429 97100437 97108107 97133734 97137059
97159370 97160078 97166550 97169530 97172164
97194679 97202189 97202581 97204163 97206673
97216415 97218545 97227930 97239893 97263899
97266596 97271806 97279594 97285054 97285443
97289940 97294861 97299134 97303038 97304571
97304640 97304695 97316079 97321190 97325909
97327750 97338754 97341522 97342520 97348696
97356771 97358299 97361426 97361961 97363476
97363758 97369815 97386931 97389621 97393946
97395592 97399431 97402951 97410853 97411172
97417084 97417244 97418367 97418827 97418968
97421337 97422075 97423470 97423925 97425704
97428007 97430039 97430177 97431687 97433033
97433384 97433610 97435882 97435885 97435887
97439860 97440288 97440961 97441810 97442082
97445663 97445895 97445914 97446008 97446915
97449093 97449241 97452225 97452830 97453898
97455358 97457296 97457310 97459217 97461387
97461774 97461813 97463830 97464424 97466649
97468157 97469702 97470510 97471790 97472046
97472762 97473121 97473126 97473455 97473806
97475236 97476499 97477634 97478434 97478804
97479892 97482317 97483222 97484155 97484745
97485821 97485888 97486981 97487000 97487076
97488718 97492675 97493254 97494136 97494327
97494677 97497742 97497811 97498751 97499591
97504893 97506283 97508050 97508331 97513145
97514678 97517217 97520019 97522458 97524493
97532374 97533562 97536877 97538131 97545861
97547585 97550339 97551105 97552181 97552507
97555716 97563084 97563785 97564370 97567223
97567275 97569636 97571001 97571528 97574414
97576865 97578526 97582885 97583668 97587224
97588457 97589517 97590814 97593789 97593813
97602378 97603996 97606851 97607043 97607449
97609686 97611688 97614143 97614486 97622350
97623330 97623621 97627875 97629363 97632909
97638216 97638744 97641065 97645582 97649729
97653796 97657114 97658325 97658718 97665237
97665737 97669596 97673064 97676247 97677722
97677723 97677972 97680887 97681034 97681812
97683921 97686016 97686034 97686042 97688786
97690981 97692017 97694176 97694187 97694329
97698302 97698720 97703312 97703799 97704709
97704744 97704748 97705299 97707847 97708023
97709958 97710979 97711987 97715336 97715760
97718094 97718124 97720233 97725467 97725702
97726345 97730452 97730989 97731785 97734811
97738294 97743863 97744657 97745072 97748750
97748808 97749894 97750468 97750888 97756079
97762025 97763749 97768284 97803208 97809049
97812131 97824948 97837456 97842773 97855387
97888992 97908782 97975421 97975827 97976089
97976149 97976178 97976770 97977096 97977309
97977312 97977359 97977399 97977448 97977467
98031355 98034012 98043532 98079031 98114018 ) </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>should retrieve any of
those 314 pending trademarks for any future
updates on USPTO systems, so who (besides me)
will be performing that search daily to watch
the future progress of those 314 pending <b><i>application
in limbo</i></b> trademarks? Well, those
pending trademarks <b>are </b>the
responsibilities of the owners/attorneys of
record to monitor, so ... never mind. I'll
probably give up that daily search long before
the year ends. So it goes.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Happy Trademarking,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Ken Boone</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>PS - My email editor
complained about links in this message trail, so
I converted the message trail to text to
(hopefully) remove any links. Typically, I do
NOT click on any links in postings for this
discussion group (that I hope the relevant links
will appear via an Internet search on a secure
search platform from the relevant clues
provided) and hope you use the same caution
(even on my postings, as scammers/dark webbers
have impersonated me). </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Sent: Monday, December
16, 2024 4:29 PM</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Subject: Re:
[E-trademarks] Application in Limbo</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>This happened to me
also and I sent a message to TAC. TAC never
responded to me, but the registration issued
within 48 hrs. after I sent the message.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Subject: [E-trademarks]
Application in Limbo</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Friends ? We have an
application that appears to be stuck in some
limbo state. ?Review prior to registration?
happened in February, but still no
registration. We?ve tried reaching the
examiner, but it may be that she is no longer
with the USPTO, and we?ve had no luck with the
assistance center. Do you have any
suggestions?</span></p>
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P.A.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>330 East Coffee Street</span></p>
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