<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-size:16px;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif">To be fair, </span></span><span style="font-size:16px;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span class="gmail_default">I am both </span></span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt">\u201cold-guard trademark professionals like us who talk on this listserv\u201d
and also \u201cso very very hungry for work<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif">.</span>\u201d<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"> But nobody's calling me about these cases, so </span></span><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:Roboto,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:14px">¯\_(\u30c4)_/¯<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif">.</span></span></div><div><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"><div><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma;font-size:medium"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="font-size:16px">Cheers,</span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma;font-size:medium"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="font-size:16px"> </span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma;font-size:medium"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0);font-size:12pt">Sam<span> Castree, III</span></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma;font-size:medium"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0);font-size:12pt"><br></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:medium"><font face="times new roman, serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0);font-size:12pt"><span><i>Sam Castree Law, LLC</i></span></span></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="times new roman, serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)"><span><span style="font-size:12pt"><i>3421 W. Elm St.</i></span></span></span></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="times new roman, serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)"><span><span style="font-size:12pt"><i>McHenry, IL 60050</i></span></span></span></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="times new roman, serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)"><span><span style="font-size:12pt"><i>(815) 344-6300</i></span></span></span></font></div></div></div></div></span><br></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 9:23\u202fAM Carl Oppedahl via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<p>Yes, I have been running into situations in recent months where I
work on some recurring task in trademark world, and I lose money
on the recurring task. <br>
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<p>And I have been running into situations in recent months where I
simply decline a potential new client trademark matter, because my
spidey sense hints to me that I would likely lose money on the
task.</p>
<p>I have gotten to the point where as a general matter I only do a
trademark task if it is for an existing client for whom I have
carried out that kind of task multiple times in the past. Meaning
that it is not so likely to be a high-maintenance and money-losing
task.</p>
<p>Your mention of Legalzoom lines up with one of my recent
musings. Where are these potential new client trademark matters
going, if they are not getting handled by old-guard trademark
professionals like us who talk on this listserv? Are the tasks
ending up at places like Legalzoom? Are the tasks going to
trademark attorneys who are so very very hungry for work that they
are willing to accept a task even though they receive only a very
small professional fee?</p>
<p>And I also muse on what effect these shifts and trends are likely
to have upon the Trademark Office and its Examining Attorneys.
Surely one possible effect is that the submissions are of poorer
quality. Submissions in which corners get cut, little or no
professional review takes place, specimens of use are of poorer
quality, IDs represent more-painful mismatches between the words
of the ID and what activity the applicant/registrant is actually
engaged in. <br>
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<div>On 12/17/2024 7:56 AM, Mark Kaufman via
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<blockquote type="cite">Yes,
but clients seem to think it\u2019s business as usual. An overseas law
firm just sent me a \u201creferral\u201d where the client set a budget that
is literally less than the potential filing fees, alone, with
almost no attorneys fees, for a mark in multiple classes.
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<div>Maybe I\u2019m tempting the fates of LegalZoom, but after
detailing all the fees (and creating a template for future
clients), and receiving their kind rejection, I wrote that if
they find someone else to do the work for that amount and then
need help on responding to an office action resulting from such
services, \u201cplease let me know if we can be of assistance\u2026\u201d
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On Dec 2, 2024, at 6:47\u202fPM, Carl Oppedahl via E-trademarks
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<p>I am simply adding up all of the new gouge fees from
the Trademark Office and telling the client that this is
the new price for filing a trademark application.<br>
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<div>On 12/2/2024 2:24 PM, Kevin
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I\u2019ve been telling clients that the standard
application fee is going up $200 per class, unless
we can fit the description into the pre-approved
list on the TMID. Because \u201cstandard fee plus
surcharge\u201d is, in essence, replacing the old TEAS
standard filing.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">With regard to the insufficient
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requirements, but I\u2019m still trying to figure out
what to say there other than to emphasize that we
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Laura Geyer via
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 2, 2024 4:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This
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<b>Cc:</b> Laura Geyer <a href="mailto:lgeyer@ndgallilaw.com" target="_blank"><lgeyer@ndgallilaw.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] What are you
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absurd subcharge that an awful lot of our clients
will need to pay to use the freeform g/s field in
applications starting next year? And how are you
presenting the highly unpredictable \u201cdeficiency\u201d
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<p class="MsoNormal">(I still can\u2019t believe they\u2019re
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avoid a 2(d) refusal in many cases where the
broader definition makes no darned sense. Or when
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