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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Yes, I have noticed in recent years that Etsy, YouTube, and many other services are limiting the application of the DMCA as well as providing guidance to recipients of claims on how to respond. </div><div><br></div>
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On Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 05:33:30 PM EST, Tushnet, Rebecca via E-trademarks <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:
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That doesn't quite match up with my experience sending takedowns for people based in the US\u2014but if foreign sellers have learned this rule and provide Etsy with a US address, that might explain some things I have seen. </div>
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<div style="font-size:small;" class="ydp69da1b8eyiv8576466112x_gmail_default"> I definitely run into Etsy issues. They don't seem to respond to a "counter" of a trademark infringement complaint. I guess you just have to hit
<a shape="rect" href="mailto:legal@etsy.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">legal@etsy.com</a>..</div>
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<div style="font-size:small;" class="ydp69da1b8eyiv8576466112x_gmail_default"> Another issue I run into is Etsy's refusal to process DMCA counters against notice and takedown requests from foreign domiciliaries. They cite the following detail </div>
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<div style="font-size:small;" class="ydp69da1b8eyiv8576466112x_gmail_default">In accordance with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA),
<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,0);">Etsy accepts counter notices for US-based copyright infringement reports only</span>. When Etsy receives a DMCA counter notice, we will provide a copy of the counter notice to the original complaining party. The
removed material may be replaced or access to it may be restored 10 business days after the counter notice is processed, unless the copyright owner files an action seeking a court order restraining the allegedly infringing party from relisting the items or
a qualifying action with the Copyright Claims Board (CCB), and informs Etsy of this action. Read more about DMCA notices, counter notices, and requirements here.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="ydp69da1b8eyiv8576466112x_gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 8:23\u202fAM Laura Geyer via E-trademarks <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<p class="ydp69da1b8eyiv8576466112x_MsoNormal">Dear Jack:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="ydp69da1b8eyiv8576466112x_MsoNormal">Yes, many times. If it\u2019s a copyright issue, their DMCA process is usually reasonably fast so long as it\u2019s a straight-up DMCA situation (ie, copyright, you can point to the infringement and to what it\u2019s infringing, and you provide all
the other necessary info. If you haven\u2019t got a copyright issue that falls under that, but rather a trademark issue, if you have a trademark registration, they have a form-based filing process to complain about that and if the situation is a flaming infringement,
they will generally act. They also are reasonably good if your client\u2019s complaint is based on obvious fraud or falls into one of the \u201cabuse\u201d categories. Again, you have to use the proper form to get anywhere.
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<p class="ydp69da1b8eyiv8576466112x_MsoNormal">I\u2019ve never had any success with an escalation without going through their formal process first.
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<p class="ydp69da1b8eyiv8576466112x_MsoNormal">And generally if the form-based process doesn\u2019t work, they want people to sort it out themselves.
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<p class="ydp69da1b8eyiv8576466112x_MsoNormal">The \u201cdo you know someone at Etsy\u201d (or ag Google or at any of the places that something infringing but not something the company will generally act on is going on) is a tempting way to go at it, but since they themselves (Etsy or Google
pr Meta or similar employees) have limited capacity to do anything, if someone here *<b>did</b>* have something as close to the elixir of eternal life as a contact at Etsy or one of those places who could actually do anything, that would be a close-held secret
saved for a once-every-five-years type emergency. You can imagine how quickly you\u2019d burn that connection if you handed it out, given how *&^% unresponsive the companies can be if their formal process doesn\u2019t work!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="ydp69da1b8eyiv8576466112x_MsoNormal">I can sometimes work my way into a real human\u2019s email address via targeted googling, and then use that to work my way to someone who can do something by using the company\u2019s email format to guess the correct email address of the person
you\u2019re trying to reach. I\u2019ve never succeeded in getting someone at one of the big platforms to act (only smaller ones), however, and the sole time I reached such a person I was told they were forbidden by internal policy from helping people outside the usual
pathways.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="ydp69da1b8eyiv8576466112x_MsoNormal">Good luck!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="ydp69da1b8eyiv8576466112x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri, sans-serif;">Anyone have clients with issues selling on Etsy? Anyone have a direct contact for someone at Etsy who can help expedite resolving account issues?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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