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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rick Stempkovski via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 17, 2024 9:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com>; Carl Oppedahl <carl@oppedahl.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Rick Stempkovski <rstempkovski@dbclaw.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] What are you telling your clients ...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">You can pay me know, or you can pay me later\u2026.FRAM auto filters; thanks for all the great info throughout the year, whatever your end of year thing is, wear it out, R<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="color:gray">&</span> <span style="color:maroon">CZAJA, </span></span><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:maroon">PLLC</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Elephant",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Kaufman via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 17, 2024 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Carl Oppedahl <<a href="mailto:carl@oppedahl.com">carl@oppedahl.com</a>>; For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Mark Kaufman <<a href="mailto:kaufman@kaufmankahn.com">kaufman@kaufmankahn.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] What are you telling your clients ...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Ah, but coming into an application\u2019s prosecution at the stage of responding to an office action? \u201cPriceless.\u201d</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">-Mark</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 17, 2024 10:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] What are you telling your clients ...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Yes, I have been running into situations in recent months where I work on some recurring task in trademark world, and I lose money on the recurring task.
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<p>And I have been running into situations in recent months where I simply decline a potential new client trademark matter, because my spidey sense hints to me that I would likely lose money on the task.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I have gotten to the point where as a general matter I only do a trademark task if it is for an existing client for whom I have carried out that kind of task multiple times in the past. Meaning that it is not so likely to be a high-maintenance and money-losing
task.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Your mention of Legalzoom lines up with one of my recent musings. Where are these potential new client trademark matters going, if they are not getting handled by old-guard trademark professionals like us who talk on this listserv? Are the tasks ending
up at places like Legalzoom? Are the tasks going to trademark attorneys who are so very very hungry for work that they are willing to accept a task even though they receive only a very small professional fee?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>And I also muse on what effect these shifts and trends are likely to have upon the Trademark Office and its Examining Attorneys. Surely one possible effect is that the submissions are of poorer quality. Submissions in which corners get cut, little or no
professional review takes place, specimens of use are of poorer quality, IDs represent more-painful mismatches between the words of the ID and what activity the applicant/registrant is actually engaged in.
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 12/17/2024 7:56 AM, Mark Kaufman via E-trademarks wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, but clients seem to think it\u2019s business as usual. An overseas law firm just sent me a \u201creferral\u201d where the client set a budget that is literally less than the potential filing fees, alone, with almost no attorneys fees, for a mark
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<p class="MsoNormal">Maybe I\u2019m tempting the fates of LegalZoom, but after detailing all the fees (and creating a template for future clients), and receiving their kind rejection, I wrote that if they find someone else to do the work for that amount and then
need help on responding to an office action resulting from such services, \u201cplease let me know if we can be of assistance\u2026\u201d
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On Dec 2, 2024, at 6:47<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span>PM, Carl Oppedahl via E-trademarks
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<p>I am simply adding up all of the new gouge fees from the Trademark Office and telling the client that this is the new price for filing a trademark application.<o:p></o:p></p>
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on the TMID. Because \u201cstandard fee plus surcharge\u201d is, in essence, replacing the old TEAS standard filing.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">With regard to the insufficient information charge, the causes for it are the same as for failing to comply with TEAS-plus requirements, but I\u2019m still trying to figure out what
to say there other than to emphasize that we need to have all the required information ready when we file.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Laura Geyer via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 2, 2024 4:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.
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<b>Cc:</b> Laura Geyer <a href="mailto:lgeyer@ndgallilaw.com"><lgeyer@ndgallilaw.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] What are you telling your clients ...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">About the absolutely insane and absurd subcharge that an awful lot of our clients will need to pay to use the freeform g/s field in applications starting next year? And how are
you presenting the highly unpredictable \u201cdeficiency\u201d amounts in estimates?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">(I still can\u2019t believe they\u2019re doing this when it\u2019s basically the only way to avoid a 2(d) refusal in many cases where the broader definition makes no darned sense. Or when the
broader category doesn\u2019t include a field option?)<o:p></o:p></p>
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