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<p class="MsoNormal">Sorry, not precedential, but do keep in mind the following, which have proved helpful in similar situations to yours:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Third-party registrations in the nature of house marks used for a wide variety of items are of little value by themselves to show that the various goods for which they are registered are all related. Similarly, here where the website evidence shows house marks
used on a wide variety of goods, it is not so probative of this factor.<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i>In re Marko Schuhfabrik GmbH</i>, Serial No. 79040612 (T.T.A.B. December 23, 2009) (non-precedential).
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<p class="MsoNormal">And (thanks, Bob Reynolds): <i>In re Kysela Pere et Fils Ltd.</i>, 98 USPQ2d 1261 (TTAB 2011)). They\u2019re only in footnotes, but they are precedental:<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Foot 5: \u201cAlthough a registration that covers a large number of goods and services in many classes has limited probative value because the inclusion of many disparate goods and services does not show that all of these items would generally
emanate from a single source under a single mark, there is an intrinsic connection between food and beverage products.\u201d
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<p class="MsoNormal">Foot 8: \u201c As stated previously, we have not considered any registrations that are not based on use in commerce, are not active, or list a wide range of unrelated goods.\u201d
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<p class="MsoNormal">Finally, TMTKO\u2019s Thorcheck service may prove useful as well to show separate ownership of the same marks for the cited \u201crelated\u201d services.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sam Castree via E-trademarks<br>
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<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Sam Castree <sam@castreelaw.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] FW: Heck Freezes Over: USPTO Fails to Prove Gin Related to Beer Under Section 2(d)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmaildefault"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Is this precedent? Please tell me that this is precedent. </span></span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Last w<span class="gmaildefault">eek</span>,
I got what I consider to be a very stupid office action<span class="gmaildefault">, in which m</span>y client's application for video games was rejected based on a registration for a customer loyalty rewards program. The examiner found a few everything-and-the-kitchen-sink
applications<span class="gmaildefault"> that include both of these items, a couple that (fair enough) were more </span>narrow, and, infuriatingly, one that included games but <i>didn't actually include loyalty programs</i>.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#FF6600">Sam Castree, III</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#222222"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#FF6600">Sam Castree Law, LLC</span></i><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#222222"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#FF6600">3421 W. Elm St.</span></i><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#222222"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Dec 23, 2024 at 11:14<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span>AM Kevin Grierson via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>To:</b> Kevin Grierson <<a href="mailto:kgrierson@cm.law">kgrierson@cm.law</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Heck Freezes Over: USPTO Fails to Prove Gin Related to Beer Under Section 2(d)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<h1><span style="color:black"><a href="http://thettablog.blogspot.com/2024/12/heck-freezes-over-uspto-fails-to-prove.html" target="_blank">Heck Freezes Over: USPTO Fails to Prove Gin Related to Beer Under Section 2(d)</a></span><o:p></o:p></h1>
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<p><a name="m_-5271008834310474970_0"></a><span style="color:black">The USPTO fumbled the ball here in what should have been a fairly easy run for a touchdown. The Board reversed a refusal to register the mark shown below left, for "gin," finding that the USPTO
failed to prove confusion likely with the mark on the right, for various beers. The Board found the marks to be "more similar than dissimilar," but the USPTO's feeble evidentiary showing regarding the relatedness of gin and beer led the Board to weigh the
second <i>DuPont </i>factor as dispositive in favor of Applicant Cobblestone Brands.
<i><a href="http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/ttabvue-97453097-EXA-8.pdf" target="_blank">In re Cobblestone Brands Ltd</a></i>, Serial No. 97453097 (December 19, 2024) [not precedential] (Opinion by Judge Lawrence T. Stanley, Jr.).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style="color:black">The Marks:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Applicant disclaimed AMERICAN GIN, while the cited registration includes disclaimers of BREWING CO and DALLAS TX. Cobblestone argued that the design elements of the marks are the
dominant features but the Board gave that assertion a bumpy ride, finding FOUR CORNERS to be dominant in both. Although the design elements are "noticeable," "it will be the words rather than colors or designs in the marks that will be used to call for and
discuss Applicant\u2019s and Registrant\u2019s goods."</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#223344">Although we recognize that there are differences between the marks when viewed on a side-by-side basis, when compared in their entireties we find them more similar than dissimilar
in appearance, sound, meaning, and commercial impression due to presence of the identical dominant phrase FOUR CORNERS in both marks.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b><span style="color:black">The Goods:</span></b><span style="color:black"> The Office relied on "a smattering of third-party Internet evidence" to show the relatedness of gin and beer: a mere three websites offering the goods under the same mark. The Board
found that evidence "unconvincing."</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:#223344">While there is no threshold number, three examples are a relatively small amount given the number of breweries and distilleries in the United States and the Internet resources
for research easily available on the subject to examining attorneys. *** [O]n the record before us, there is simply insufficient evidence of third parties using the same mark in connection with beer and gin, or evidence that a maker of gin also actually produces
beer, or that the goods are complementary.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="color:black">The Examining Attorney pointed to prior Board decisions finding various alcoholic beverages related, but the Board was unimpressed: "Put simply, the Examining Attorney cannot evade the burden to prove relatedness by bootstrapping
upon previous factual findings made in other decisions on different records." In any event, the evidence here "pales in comparison to the evidence in those cases."</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="color:black">Trade Channels:</span></b><span style="color:black"> The Office also failed to prove that the trade channels overlap. "Although the consolidation of production, distribution, and/or sale in the beer, wine, and spirits markets
suggests that there may be some overlap in trade channels, we cannot make such a finding on this record." [Seems like the Board could take judicial notice that gin and beer are sold in the same retail stores. -
<i>ed</i>.].</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="color:black">Conclusion:</span></b><span style="color:black"> The applicant wins! The applicant wins!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="color:#38761D">Read comments and post your comment </span></b><span style="color:black"><a href="https://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/9072179/5344228739086636993" target="_blank">here</a>.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="color:#FF6600">TTABlogger comment:</span></b><span style="color:#FF6600">
</span><span style="color:black">As I recently said in my comment on the JERSEY GIRL case [</span><b><span style="color:#FF6600">TTABlogged</span></b><span style="color:black">
<a href="http://thettablog.blogspot.com/2024/12/jersey-girl-whiskey-for-distilled.html" target="_blank">
here</a>], "In these alcoholic beverages case, an applicant's principal hope seems to be the weakness of the Office's evidence of third-party registration and use."
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<p><b><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#000016">Text Copyright John L. Welch 2024.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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