<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-size:16px;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif">Is this precedent? Please tell me that this is precedent. </span></span><font face="times new roman, serif"><span style="font-size:16px">Last <span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"></span>w<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif">eek</span>, I got what I consider to be a very stupid office action<span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif">, in which m</span>y client's application for video games was rejected based on a registration for a customer loyalty rewards program. The examiner found a few </span></font><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif;font-size:16px">everything-and-the-kitchen-</span><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif;font-size:16px">sink applications<span class="gmail_default"> that include both of these items, a couple that (fair enough) were more </span></span><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif;font-size:16px">narrow, and, infuriatingly, one that included games but <i>didn't actually include loyalty programs</i>.<div><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma;font-size:medium"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="font-size:16px">Cheers,</span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma;font-size:medium"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="font-size:16px"> </span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma;font-size:medium"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0);font-size:12pt">Sam<span> Castree, III</span></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma;font-size:medium"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0);font-size:12pt"><br></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:medium"><font face="times new roman, serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0);font-size:12pt"><span><i>Sam Castree Law, LLC</i></span></span></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="times new roman, serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)"><span><span style="font-size:12pt"><i>3421 W. Elm St.</i></span></span></span></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="times new roman, serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)"><span><span style="font-size:12pt"><i>McHenry, IL 60050</i></span></span></span></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="times new roman, serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)"><span><span style="font-size:12pt"><i>(815) 344-6300</i></span></span></span></font></div></div></div></div></span><br></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Dec 23, 2024 at 11:14\u202fAM Kevin Grierson via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-5271008834310474970">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Aptos,sans-serif">Interesting decision by the TTAB. Although as a general matter I am not a fan of the PTO\u2019s \u201cthree websites\u201d relatedness arguments, it seems to me that at some point the Board\u2019s numerous decisions
about the relatedness of beer, wine, and other alcoholic beverages ought to serve as persuasive precedent even if the examiner makes a hash of the evidentiary record.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>To:</b> Kevin Grierson <kgrierson@cm.law><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Heck Freezes Over: USPTO Fails to Prove Gin Related to Beer Under Section 2(d)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<h1><a href="http://thettablog.blogspot.com/2024/12/heck-freezes-over-uspto-fails-to-prove.html" target="_blank">Heck Freezes Over: USPTO Fails to Prove Gin Related to Beer Under Section 2(d)</a><u></u><u></u></h1>
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<p><a name="m_-5271008834310474970_0"></a>The USPTO fumbled the ball here in what should have been a fairly easy run for a touchdown. The Board reversed a refusal to register the mark shown below left, for "gin," finding that the USPTO failed to prove confusion likely with the mark
on the right, for various beers. The Board found the marks to be "more similar than dissimilar," but the USPTO's feeble evidentiary showing regarding the relatedness of gin and beer led the Board to weigh the second
<i>DuPont </i>factor as dispositive in favor of Applicant Cobblestone Brands. <i>
<a href="http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/ttabvue-97453097-EXA-8.pdf" target="_blank">In re Cobblestone Brands Ltd</a></i>, Serial No. 97453097 (December 19, 2024) [not precedential] (Opinion by Judge Lawrence T. Stanley, Jr.).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p><b>The Marks:</b> Applicant disclaimed AMERICAN GIN, while the cited registration includes disclaimers of BREWING CO and DALLAS TX. Cobblestone argued that the design elements of the marks are the dominant features but the Board gave that assertion a bumpy
ride, finding FOUR CORNERS to be dominant in both. Although the design elements are "noticeable," "it will be the words rather than colors or designs in the marks that will be used to call for and discuss Applicant\u2019s and Registrant\u2019s goods."<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.6pt"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(34,51,68)">Although we recognize that there are differences between the marks when viewed on a side-by-side basis, when compared in their
entireties we find them more similar than dissimilar in appearance, sound, meaning, and commercial impression due to presence of the identical dominant phrase FOUR CORNERS in both marks.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><b>The Goods:</b> The Office relied on "a smattering of third-party Internet evidence" to show the relatedness of gin and beer: a mere three websites offering the goods under the same mark. The Board found that evidence "unconvincing."<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:15.6pt"><span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS",sans-serif;color:rgb(34,51,68)">While there is no threshold number, three examples are a relatively small amount given the number of breweries and distilleries
in the United States and the Internet resources for research easily available on the subject to examining attorneys. *** [O]n the record before us, there is simply insufficient evidence of third parties using the same mark in connection with beer and gin,
or evidence that a maker of gin also actually produces beer, or that the goods are complementary.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p>The Examining Attorney pointed to prior Board decisions finding various alcoholic beverages related, but the Board was unimpressed: "Put simply, the Examining Attorney cannot evade the burden to prove relatedness by bootstrapping upon previous factual findings
made in other decisions on different records." In any event, the evidence here "pales in comparison to the evidence in those cases."<u></u><u></u></p>
<p><b>Trade Channels:</b> The Office also failed to prove that the trade channels overlap. "Although the consolidation of production, distribution, and/or sale in the beer, wine, and spirits markets suggests that there may be some overlap in trade channels,
we cannot make such a finding on this record." [Seems like the Board could take judicial notice that gin and beer are sold in the same retail stores. -
<i>ed</i>.].<u></u><u></u></p>
<p><b>Conclusion:</b> The applicant wins! The applicant wins!<u></u><u></u></p>
<p><b><span style="color:rgb(56,118,29)">Read comments and post your comment </span></b><a href="https://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/9072179/5344228739086636993" target="_blank">here</a>.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p><b><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)">TTABlogger comment:</span></b><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)">
</span>As I recently said in my comment on the JERSEY GIRL case [<b><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)">TTABlogged</span></b>
<a href="http://thettablog.blogspot.com/2024/12/jersey-girl-whiskey-for-distilled.html" target="_blank">
here</a>], "In these alcoholic beverages case, an applicant's principal hope seems to be the weakness of the Office's evidence of third-party registration and use."
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<p><b><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:rgb(0,0,22)">Text Copyright John L. Welch 2024.</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
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