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Is it me, or does the whole thing not make sense? The <a href="https://tmep.uspto.gov/RDMS/TFSR/current#/current/r-b4d5f73a-8360-499f-ab67-97240ad8800c.html" target="_blank">current
rule</a> is titled "Reinstatement of applications and
registrations abandoned, cancelled, or expired due to Office error."
Section (a) is request for reinstatement of an abandoned application
where there is an Office error, section (b) is request for
reinstatement of cancelled or expired registration due to Office
error, and (c) is request for reinstatement may be construed as a
petition. And there is no (c)(i).<br>
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<a href="https://tmep.uspto.gov/RDMS/TFSR/current#/current/r-ad80a6fe-ef1d-41bf-b515-5db1487bcc95.html" target="_blank">Section
2.63</a> is titled "Action after response" (not Final Action"),
but it still doesn't make much sense because it eliminates relevant
information formerly in the revised sections, as well as b(3) and
b(4).<br>
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There is no CFR section titled "Final action." The TMEP has <a href="https://tmep.uspto.gov/RDMS/TMEP/current#/current/TMEP-700d1e1814.html" target="_blank">section
714</a> titled "Final Action," which refers to CFR section
2.63(b), not 2.64. And the TMEP doesn't use that numbering format.<br>
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This rule is not listed under the "Proposed Rules" on the PTO <a href="https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/laws" target="_blank">Law & Regulations</a>
website. <br>
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I'm leaning towards the fact this is an errant publication.<br>
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Pam<br>
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<pre style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"> 2. Amend Sec. 2.64 by revising paragraphs (b) and (c)(1) to read as
follows:
Sec. 2.64 Final action.
* * * * *
(b)(1) During the three-month period after issuance of a final action,
the applicant may request that the examining attorney reconsider the final
action. The request must be filed through TEAS. The filing of a request
for reconsideration will not extend the time for filing an appeal or
petitioning the Director.
(2) During the six-month period after issuance of a final action, the
applicant may submit amendments. Any such amendments will be examined, and
will be entered if they comply with the rules of practice in trademark
cases and the Act of 1946. The filing of such an amendment will not extend
the time for filing an appeal or petitioning the Director.
(c)(1) If an applicant in an application under § 1(b) of the Act files
an amendment to allege use under Sec. 2.76 during the six-month period
after issuance of a final action, the examiner shall examine the amendment.
The filing of such an amendment will not extend the time for filing an
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period from final OA to appeal is only 6 months if
the applicant files an extension request
<b><u>BEFORE</u></b> filing the Request for
Reconsideration. Is the rule saying that the filing
of a RFR by 3 months automatically extends the
appeal deadline to six months? And with or without
payment of the $125 fee?</span></p>
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rule does sound like the PTO making the applicant
pay for the PTO\u2019s inability to process a RFR and
Notice of Appeal simultaneously rather than just fix
internally whatever is screwing up that process.
Maybe the PTO should alter is examiner jurisdiction
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<b>Subject:</b> [EXT] [E-trademarks] Proposed
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">I
hope you all had a delightful holiday break
and are finding things to look forward to
this year.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif">I
have a response to a Final OA and was
researching whether there'd been a change in
the response time from 6 to 3 months, and
came across this Dec 31, 2024 <a href="https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/com/sol/og/2024/week53/TOCCN/item-469.htm" target="_blank">USPTO
Notice of Proposed Rule</a>, which I don't
recall seeing discussed here (forgive me if
it was, and I missed it):</span></p>
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<pre><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">The United States Patent and Trademark Office ("USPTO") proposes to </span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">amend 37 C.F.R. Sec. 2.64 to require a request for reconsideration of </span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">an examining attorney's final refusal or requirement to be filed through</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">the Trademark Electronic Application System ("TEAS") within three </span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">months of the mailing date of the final action. ***</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">A request for reconsideration of a final action does not extend the time</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">for filing an appeal or petitioning the Director on that action. Under the</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">current version of the rule, wherein the applicant may file a request for</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">reconsideration at any time between the final action and the six-month</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">deadline for appealing or petitioning, many applicants simultaneously seek</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">reconsideration and file an appeal. Because the examining attorney loses</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">jurisdiction over the application upon the filing of an appeal to the TTAB,</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">this simultaneous pursuit of reconsideration and appeal often necessitates</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">a remand by the TTAB to the examining attorney for a decision on the</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">request for reconsideration. If the request is denied, then the case is</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">transferred back to the TTAB. If the request is granted, and the examining</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">attorney reconsiders the final action, the appeal or petition may become</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">moot. The need for these remands and transfers contributes to the burden on</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">the applicant and the USPTO, and prolongs the pendency of the case.</span><span style="color:black"></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">In order to eliminate some appeals and petitions and reduce the need for</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">these remands and transfers, the proposed rule provides that a request for</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">reconsideration must be filed within three months of the final action,</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">while the six-month period for appeal or petition remains unchanged.</span><span style="color:black"></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">Comments must be received by [60 days from the date of publication in the Federal Register] to ensure consideration.</span><span style="color:black"></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">I agree with the rationale here, but I'm not sure the process is the best to meet the stated goals, given the shortened evidentiary timeline.</span><span style="color:black"></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">Curious what others think.</span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black">Cheers!</span></pre>
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