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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Well, since “tunc” just means “then”, I’d say we have a nunc pro tunc, it’s just the “tunc” is a future “then”. Just for laughs, I just pretend went through the first few steps of the process for an assignment “nunc pro tunc”. So, I can
confirm that the date can’t be in the future for a “nunc pro tunc” with a future effective date.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">I think you can file for recordation almost anything (even if it is really a non-right) under whatever is closest to the “misc” category, if you don’t have to state an effective date (like, I think the regular assignment you just enter
the execution date). But why would you record something like this? Speaking as someone who’s done a lot of IP side due diligence, a non-assignment recorded as an assignment really could throw a spanner into the works – it seems to me that it’s fundamentally
misleading (even if permissible) to record an interest that isn’t an interest yet and may never be. Even though interests in trademarks are not perfected at the PTO, it still serves a key “notice” function.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Would you call it “nunc pro futurum”?</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I agree with Carl.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Would the USPTO record it? Once you put in the effective date in the recordation cover sheet, I think it would be kicked out.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Seems an “asssignment” as of a future date is a promise to assign, not an actual assignment.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Losts can happen before then. Death, change of mind, assignment to another. There might be</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">an action for breach of promise, but thee contingent assignee won’t have a confirmed property interest</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">by the earlier document.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I have recorded many<span class="x_apple-converted-space"> </span><i>nunc pro tunc</i> assignments over the years but is it possible to record a PROSPECTIVE assignment e.g., a typical
assignment document but with the effective date being in the future? Any other issues beyond recordation? It does not seem like "best practice" maybe— but are there any legal/USPTO problems with doing so?</span></p>
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