<div dir="ltr"><div>I agree with all of the above --</div><div> -- a <b>present</b> assignment of a <b>future invention</b> is just fine. Every<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><font size="2"> employee agreement oughtta do so. Every assignment doc should include "all continuations in part" in the laundry list of what's assigned.
<i><span>SiRF Technology, Inc. v. International Trade
Commission</span></i><span>,
601 F.3d 1319, 1326, 94 USPQ2d 1607, ___ (Fed. Cir. 2010) (an employee
agreement using the words \u201c[t]he Employee assigns all of his or her right,
interest, or title in any Invention to the Employer to the extent allowed by
law\u201d including \u201call inventions ... which are related to or useful in the
business of the Employer ... and which were ... conceived ... during the period
of the Employee\u2019s employment, whether or not in the course of the Employee's
employment\u201d acted as an automatic assignment of future inventions); </span>
<i><span>Regents of the University of New Mexico v.
Knight</span></i><span>,
321 F.3d 1111, 111<span>9</span>\u201320, 66 USPQ2d
1001, 100<span>7</span>\u201308 (Fed. Cir. 2003)
(personnel policy); <i>University of West Virginia, Board of Trustees v.
VanVoorhies</i>, 278 F.3d 1288, 1297, 61 USPQ2d 1449, 1455 (Fed. Cir. 2002)
(assignment); see also cases cited in footnote <span>736</span>; <i>but see Israel
Bio-Engineering Project v. Amgen Inc.</i>, 475 F.3d 1256, 1267, 81 USPQ2d 1558,
156<span>7</span>\u201368 (Fed. Cir. 2007)
(agreement was insufficient to transfer future inventions).</span></font></span>
</div><div> -- <b>future<i> </i></b>assignment (a post-dated check) is asking for trouble<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 7, 2025 at 6:33\u202fPM Gerry J. Elman via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-2799647197436544402">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Century Schoolbook",serif;color:black">Well on the patent side of things, while in law school, I would have thought that one couldn\u2019t enter into a valid contract that would automatically, without
more, assign ownership of a patentable invention that\u2019s yet to be made. That is, until I read the case of
</span><b><i>Stanford University v. Roche Molecular Systems, Inc.</i></b>, 563 U.S. 776 (2011),
<span style="font-family:"Century Schoolbook",serif">wherein a confidentiality agreement of Cetus Corporation with a consultant included a recitation that the consultant \u201chereby assigns\u201d rights to future inventions arising from the consultation. (Cetus was
eventually acquired by Roche.) Although the consultant was also a faculty member at Stanford University and had agreed to assign to Stanford inventions made in the future, somehow the courts confirmed that the \u201chereby assigns\u201d language in the Cetus agreement
trumps Stanford\u2019s \u201cagree to assign\u201d language. See </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_University_v._Roche_Molecular_Systems,_Inc" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_University_v._Roche_Molecular_Systems,_Inc</a>.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Well, since \u201ctunc\u201d just means \u201cthen\u201d, I\u2019d say we have a nunc pro tunc, it\u2019s just the \u201ctunc\u201d is a future \u201cthen\u201d. Just for laughs, I just pretend went through the first few steps of the process for an assignment \u201cnunc pro tunc\u201d. So, I can
confirm that the date can\u2019t be in the future for a \u201cnunc pro tunc\u201d with a future effective date.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think you can file for recordation almost anything (even if it is really a non-right) under whatever is closest to the \u201cmisc\u201d category, if you don\u2019t have to state an effective date (like, I think the regular assignment you just enter
the execution date). But why would you record something like this? Speaking as someone who\u2019s done a lot of IP side due diligence, a non-assignment recorded as an assignment really could throw a spanner into the works \u2013 it seems to me that it\u2019s fundamentally
misleading (even if permissible) to record an interest that isn\u2019t an interest yet and may never be. Even though interests in trademarks are not perfected at the PTO, it still serves a key \u201cnotice\u201d function.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Would you call it \u201cnunc pro futurum\u201d?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I agree with Carl.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:16pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Would the USPTO record it? Once you put in the effective date in the recordation cover sheet, I think it would be kicked out.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Seems an \u201casssignment\u201d as of a future date is a promise to assign, not an actual assignment.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Losts can happen before then. Death, change of mind, assignment to another. There might be<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">an action for breach of promise, but thee contingent assignee won\u2019t have a confirmed property interest<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I have recorded many<span class="m_-2799647197436544402apple-converted-space"> </span><i>nunc pro tunc</i> assignments over the years but is it possible to record a PROSPECTIVE assignment e.g., a typical assignment
document but with the effective date being in the future? Any other issues beyond recordation? It does not seem like "best practice" maybe\u2014 but are there any legal/USPTO problems with doing so?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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