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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">All good points and some of the reasons I gave up on it. My crusade was actually not because of the fraud issues but was, as Pam describes it, the knowledge gap. It was also before the US attorney requirement.
I can\u2019t tell you how many meetings I attended where the quality of applications was the source of our angst. As Carl can confirm (because he is an exception) my gripes started with the patent attorneys and the others who do trademark work on the side. Those
of us who are 100% trademark do a lot of damage control for applications filed by the non-TM practitioners.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Since then, however, our collective focus (and mine) has been shifted to bigger and more pressing issues. I don\u2019t think we will find a solution but rather, will continue chopping away at the problem in small
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Into the breach we must charge!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Annette Heller via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 20, 2025 2:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com; e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Annette Heller <tmattorneyheller@aol.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] 2024 USPTO filings (mostly not from this list)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I agree with Pam's reasoning. An exam won't solve any of the problems and would become another administrative expense<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Annette P. Heller<br>
Trademark/Copyright Attorney<br>
TM Law & Associates<br>
400 Chesterfield Center Ste 400<br>
Chesterfield [St Louis] MO 63017<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In a message dated 1/20/2025 12:15:42 PM Central Standard Time,
<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a> writes:
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">As one of only 25 certified trademark specialists in the country,* and having been on the committee that prepares the questions and grades the exams, I think I can speak with some authority!
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I don't think the problem is one of knowledge but one of identity of the filer, and the PTO claims to be addressing the latter problem (in part by diligently rooting out those virtual addresses). The difficulty of an exam is where you draw the line on knowledge.
Will you draw it where those business lawyers who file 2-3 applications are year, and surely don't know the TMEP (and, god forbid, are still filing paper applications) will fail, or not bother to take it? Who does that serve? (Well us, for starters.) How huge
is the administrative burden and cost of testing tens of thousands of people?<br>
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The data you cited revealed very few offices filing a lot of applications. IMHO, what the attorney representation requirement did was turn a cottage industry into a consolidated industry that works way more efficiently than those individuals ever did. The industrial
machine will have a lawyer take (and pass) the exam and still file just as many fraudulent applications. Crooks gonna crook and there are plenty of lawyers who would be willing to flout the ethical rules to do it - I mean, it's not like they send you to jail
for it. So you won't have solved the problem but you will have reduced the number lawyers available to the public for legitimate work. So I don't see testing as a step that will actually do much to address the problem.<br>
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<span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">👋👋</span> my fellow NC specialists!<o:p></o:p></p>
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Chestek Legal<br>
PLEASE NOTE OUR NEW MAILING ADDRESS<br>
4641 Post St.<br>
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+1 919-800-8033<br>
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<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Lara,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">For years, I was very vocal about this idea (as many on this list serve can attest). As hard as I tried, and as many PTO and AIPLA officials as I talked to, I could not get any traction. If you
want to pick up the mantle, you have my full support! </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<strong><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">On Behalf Of </span></strong>Lara Pearson via E-trademarks<br>
<strong><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Sent:</span></strong> Monday, January 20, 2025 12:21 PM<br>
<strong><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">To:</span></strong> <a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">
e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a><br>
<strong><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Cc:</span></strong> Lara Pearson
<a href="mailto:lara@brandgeek.net" target="_blank"><lara@brandgeek.net></a>; <a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">
e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a><br>
<strong><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Subject:</span></strong> Re: [E-trademarks] 2024 USPTO filings (mostly not from this list)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal">One of the suggestions I made in my post was that the US PTO administer a trademark admissions exam similar in nature to that which it uses for patent attorneys.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal">I'm especially curious to hear from Carl and the other patent/TM attorneys on the list.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Fascinating reading, thanks for posting Lara.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Chestek Legal<br>
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4641 Post St.<br>
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+1 919-800-8033<br>
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<a href="http://www.chesteklegal.com" target="_blank">www.chesteklegal.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal">On 1/19/2025 5:25 PM, Lara Pearson via E-trademarks wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal">Hi List friends:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal"><span style="color:black">Happy Sunday Funday.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal">I reposted Robert Reading & Clarivate's data on 2024 US TM filings on LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/posts/brandgeek_trademarks-activity-7286822761556033536-bRZ3?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/posts/brandgeek_trademarks-activity-7286822761556033536-bRZ3?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal">Let's discuss (here, and there, and everywhere) and may we each find a joyful way to honor MLK tomorrow.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal">I feel grateful for each of you, and this list brings me joy (and so much wisdom).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal">Cheers!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal">Lara Pearson, Esq.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal">Law Office of Lara Pearson Ltd, PBC & Brand Geek<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal">775.833.1600<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal"><a href="http://Calendly.com/BrandGeek" target="_blank">Calendly.com/BrandGeek</a> (let's meet)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal">Creative typoing by iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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