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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/20/2025 3:41 PM, Orvis wrote:<br>
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style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">For the reasons you
stated, I wish somebody would start a competitive service
where the results are based on what you searched for, not what
the algorithm suggests. If the marketplace rules are what
they are, brands for a lot of things don't matter. That's why
you see a ton of nonsensical brand names for low dollar
product. I am concerned that one day those will be the only
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<p>Jan 20, 2025 6:29:39 PM Pamela Chestek via E-trademarks
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<blockquote style="margin:0;border-left:3px solid #ccc;
padding-left:10px;"> Thanks Emil, that's very interesting. For
what it's worth, I find Amazon to be a fairly useless
marketplace for this very reason. Nowadays the results list is
garbage. You used to be able to scan for reputable sellers but
I can't find them anymore. Whenever I search, virtually all
the results are for consonant-only products, generally with
spelling or grammatical errors in the listing. I'm not going
to buy consonant-only computer cables because they might fry
my electronics, or eye hooks because they will be made of
inferior metal, or a replacement stylus because it might not
mate with my tablet. I recently read an article published in
the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.inta.org/resources/the-trademark-reporter/">TMR</a>
suggesting there would be a post-trademark world because AI
will be so good at ascertaining what product we need we won't
need to rely on trademarks, but we aren't there yet. <br>
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So in IMHO, while many of the trademarks are actually
legitimately used for products, Amazon has successfully
fostered a marketplace so full of crap that it has become
completely unreliable. Perhaps they should direct their
efforts at verifying the legitimacy of vendors and the
reliability of their products (gee - isn't that what stores
used to do?), not using a trademark registration as a proxy
for it. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"> On 1/20/2025 11:55 AM, Emil Ali
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">First,
we have to understand why \u201cthese applicants\u201d file
trademark applications with the USPTO. It can easily
be explained, not by the USPTO\u2019s inaccurate suggestion
that China is subsidizing filings, but because \u201cthese
applicants\u201d want to sell on Amazon.com, and that
company requires (currently) a pending application
with a trademark authority. In the US, it would be
the USPTO. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Why
Amazon requires a trademark application is simple\u2014they
rely on the government to be the determining factor
(to save them money) on who owns a TM, and hopefully
to make the takedown process easier. So if I want to
sell my Tumi Backpack on their website, I
cannot\u2014because I don\u2019t have the Amazon Brand Registry
Code from Tumi\u2019s mark. When people ask why there are
so many gibberish trademarks filed\u2014one can just see
that those are the easiest to fly through the USPTO. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Next,
not all the attorneys who get involved are bad. Many
are down on their luck, and many more have their
identity stolen. Others also work with larger staff
to get what their clients want\u2014a filed application to
get onto ABR. I have seen all ends of the spectrum\u2014not
everyone who represents applicants from China are
\u201cbad.\u201d </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">I
also understand that Amazon is feeling the pressure of
their mistake. On of their outside counsels, Brad
Behar, has been filing \u201canonymous\u201d grievances against
attorneys who practice before the USPTO\u2014usually ones
that complained to Amazon about being on a blacklist
(remember that for a while if you took over the POA in
an application subject to sanctions, you were placed
on a blacklist). They have since expanded their
grievance submission process to anyone who has filed a
large number of trademark applications from China. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Finally,
the USPTO is obligated, under the APA, to allow
attorneys licensed in any state or territory to appear
before them in non-patent matters. As such, I don\u2019t
believe an exam is possible, absent congressional
intervention. I also don\u2019t know how much that would
help. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">My
take\u2014solve the problem by telling Amazon to stop
abusing the trademark system. If sellers in China did
not need to apply for a trademark application, we
would not have the flood of applications.
Unfortunately, though, Amazon has outsized influence
at the USPTO, and many people on this listserv may
also see a lower volume of applications, because
non-Chinese sellers are looking for the same ABR code.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><b><span
style="color:black;">From: </span></b><span
style="color:black;">E-trademarks <a
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on behalf of Miriam Richter, Esq. via
E-trademarks <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
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<b>Date: </b>Monday, January 20, 2025 at
11:41</span><span
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<b>To: </b>Annette Heller <a
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href="mailto:tmattorneyheller@aol.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><tmattorneyheller@aol.com></a>,
For trademark practitioners. This is not for
laypersons to seek legal advice. <a
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<b>Cc: </b>Miriam Richter, Esq. <a
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href="mailto:mrichter@richtertrademarks.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><mrichter@richtertrademarks.com></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [E-trademarks] 2024 USPTO
filings (mostly not from this list) </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;">All good points and
some of the reasons I gave up on it. My
crusade was actually not because of the fraud
issues but was, as Pam describes it, the
knowledge gap. It was also before the US
attorney requirement. I can\u2019t tell you how
many meetings I attended where the quality of
applications was the source of our angst. As
Carl can confirm (because he is an exception)
my gripes started with the patent attorneys
and the others who do trademark work on the
side. Those of us who are 100% trademark do a
lot of damage control for applications filed
by the non-TM practitioners.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;">Since then, however,
our collective focus (and mine) has been
shifted to bigger and more pressing issues. I
don\u2019t think we will find a solution but
rather, will continue chopping away at the
problem in small bites by making small
changes.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;">Into the breach we
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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E-trademarks <a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Annette Heller via
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 20, 2025 2:27
PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] 2024
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black;font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;">I
agree with Pam's reasoning. An exam won't
solve any of the problems and would become
another administrative expense</span></p>
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P. Heller<br>
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TM Law & Associates<br>
400 Chesterfield Center Ste 400<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In a message dated
1/20/2025 12:15:42 PM Central Standard Time, <a
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;">As one
of only 25 certified trademark
specialists in the country,* and
having been on the committee that
prepares the questions and grades the
exams, I think I can speak with some
authority! <br>
<br>
I don't think the problem is one of
knowledge but one of identity of the
filer, and the PTO claims to be
addressing the latter problem (in part
by diligently rooting out those
virtual addresses). The difficulty of
an exam is where you draw the line on
knowledge. Will you draw it where
those business lawyers who file 2-3
applications are year, and surely
don't know the TMEP (and, god forbid,
are still filing paper applications)
will fail, or not bother to take it?
Who does that serve? (Well us, for
starters.) How huge is the
administrative burden and cost of
testing tens of thousands of people?<br>
<br>
The data you cited revealed very few
offices filing a lot of applications.
IMHO, what the attorney representation
requirement did was turn a cottage
industry into a consolidated industry
that works way more efficiently than
those individuals ever did. The
industrial machine will have a lawyer
take (and pass) the exam and still
file just as many fraudulent
applications. Crooks gonna crook and
there are plenty of lawyers who would
be willing to flout the ethical rules
to do it - I mean, it's not like they
send you to jail for it. So you won't
have solved the problem but you will
have reduced the number lawyers
available to the public for legitimate
work. So I don't see testing as a step
that will actually do much to address
the problem.<br>
<br>
Pam<br>
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*AFAIK, North Carolina is the only
state to have a trademark specialty
and there are currently 25 of us on
the list. <span
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NC specialists!</p>
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S. Chestek<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 1/20/2025
9:36 AM, Lara Pearson via
E-trademarks wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Perhaps the list
serv can pick up the mantle if there
is consensus here that this might be
a viable solution. </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I'd be
especially thrilled if we could
swap this solution out for the
ineffective, arduous Domicile
Requirement that does nothing to
achieve it's stated purpose (as
Clarivate's table shows) and
instead causes bona fide
applicants time, money and stress.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thoughts?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Lara
Pearson, Esq.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Law
Office of Lara Pearson Ltd,
PBC & Brand Geek</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">775.833.1600</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="http://Calendly.com/BrandGeek"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">Calendly.com/BrandGeek</a>
(let's meet)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Creative
typoing by iPhone</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;">On
Jan 20, 2025, at 9:32<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;">\u202f</span>AM,
Miriam Richter, Esq. <a
href="mailto:mrichter@richtertrademarks.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><mrichter@richtertrademarks.com></a>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;">Lara,</span></p>
<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></p>
<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;">For
years, I was very vocal about
this idea (as many on this list
serve can attest). As hard as I
tried, and as many PTO and AIPLA
officials as I talked to, I
could not get any traction. If
you want to pick up the mantle,
you have my full support! </span></p>
<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;"> </span></p>
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<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal"><span
style="color:black;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;">Best, </span></p>
<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal"><span
style="color:black;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;">Miriam </span></p>
<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal"><span
style="color:black;font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;"> </span></p>
<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal"><span
style="color:black;font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;">Miriam
Richter, Attorney at Law,
P.L.</span><span
style="color:black;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;"> </span></p>
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<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal"><strong><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;">From:</span></strong><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;">
E-trademarks </span><a
href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;"><e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;"> <strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;">On Behalf Of </span></strong>Lara
Pearson via E-trademarks<br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;">Sent:</span></strong>
Monday, January 20, 2025
12:21 PM<br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;">To:</span></strong>
</span><a
href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;"><br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;">Cc:</span></strong>
Lara Pearson </span><a
href="mailto:lara@brandgeek.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;"><lara@brandgeek.net></span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;">; </span><a
href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;"><br>
<strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;">Subject:</span></strong>
Re: [E-trademarks] 2024
USPTO filings (mostly not
from this list)</span></p>
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<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal"> </p>
<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal">One
of the suggestions I made in my
post was that the US PTO
administer a trademark admissions
exam similar in nature to that
which it uses for patent
attorneys.</p>
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<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal">I
would love to know ya'll
thoughts on whether that could
work to address the issue of
fraudulent, primarily Chinese,
TM apps.</p>
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<div>
<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal">I'm
especially curious to hear from
Carl and the other patent/TM
attorneys on the list.</p>
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<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal"> </p>
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<div>
<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal">Happy
MLK Day.</p>
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<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal"> </p>
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<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal">Warmly,</p>
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<p class="yiv3048311447msonormal"> </p>
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<div>
<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal">Lara
Pearson, Esq.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal">Law
Office of Lara Pearson Ltd,
PBC & Brand Geek</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal">775.833.1600</p>
</div>
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<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal"><a
href="http://Calendly.com/BrandGeek" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">Calendly.com/BrandGeek</a>
(let's meet)</p>
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<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal">Creative
typoing by iPhone</p>
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<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal"> </p>
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<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;">On Jan 19, 2025, at 6:02<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;">\u202f</span>PM,
Pamela Chestek via
E-trademarks <<a
href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
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<p
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<p>Fascinating reading, thanks
for posting Lara.</p>
<p>Pam</p>
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<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;">Pamela S. Chestek<br>
Chestek Legal<br>
PLEASE NOTE OUR NEW
MAILING ADDRESS<br>
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Unit 4316<br>
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<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal">On
1/19/2025 5:25 PM, Lara
Pearson via E-trademarks
wrote:</p>
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<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal">Hi
List friends:</p>
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<p
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<div>
<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal"><span
style="color:black;">Happy
Sunday Funday.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal">I
reposted Robert Reading
& Clarivate's data
on 2024 US TM filings on
LinkedIn: <a
href="https://www.linkedin.com/posts/brandgeek_trademarks-activity-7286822761556033536-bRZ3?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.linkedin.com/posts/brandgeek_trademarks-activity-7286822761556033536-bRZ3?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios</a></p>
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<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal">Let's
discuss (here, and
there, and everywhere)
and may we each find a
joyful way to honor MLK
tomorrow.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal">I
feel grateful for each
of you, and this list
brings me joy (and so
much wisdom).</p>
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<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal">Cheers!</p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal">Lara
Pearson, Esq.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal">Law
Office of Lara Pearson
Ltd, PBC & Brand
Geek</p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="yiv3048311447msonormal">775.833.1600</p>
</div>
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class="yiv3048311447msonormal"><a
href="http://Calendly.com/BrandGeek" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">Calendly.com/BrandGeek</a>
(let's meet)</p>
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<p
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typoing by iPhone</p>
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