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<div>As one of only 25 certified trademark specialists in the country,* and having been on the committee that prepares the questions and grades the exams, I think I can speak with some authority! <br clear="none"><br clear="none">I don't think the problem is one of knowledge but one of identity of the filer, and the PTO claims to be addressing the latter problem (in part by diligently rooting out those virtual addresses). The difficulty of an exam is where you draw the line on knowledge. Will you draw it where those business lawyers who file 2-3 applications are year, and surely don't know the TMEP (and, god forbid, are still filing paper applications) will fail, or not bother to take it? Who does that serve? (Well us, for starters.) How huge is the administrative burden and cost of testing tens of thousands of people?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">The data you cited revealed very few offices filing a lot of applications. IMHO, what the attorney representation requirement did was turn a cottage industry into a consolidated industry that works way more efficiently than those individuals ever did. The industrial machine will have a lawyer take (and pass) the exam and still file just as many fraudulent applications. Crooks gonna crook and there are plenty of lawyers who would be willing to flout the ethical rules to do it - I mean, it's not like they send you to jail for it. So you won't have solved the problem but you will have reduced the number lawyers available to the public for legitimate work. So I don't see testing as a step that will actually do much to address the problem.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Pam<br clear="none"><br clear="none">*AFAIK, North Carolina is the only state to have a trademark specialty and there are currently 25 of us on the list. \U0001f44b\U0001f44b my fellow NC specialists!<br clear="none"><br clear="none">
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<div>Perhaps the list serv can pick up the mantle if there is consensus here that this might be a viable solution.
<div>I'd be especially thrilled if we could swap this solution out for the ineffective, arduous Domicile Requirement that does nothing to achieve it's stated purpose (as Clarivate's table shows) and instead causes bona fide applicants time, money and stress.</div>
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<p class="yiv3048311447MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11.0pt;">For years, I was very vocal about this idea (as many on this list serve can attest). As hard as I tried, and as many PTO and AIPLA officials as I talked to, I could not get any traction. If you want to pick up the mantle, you have my full support! </span></p>
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