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As one of only 25 certified trademark specialists in the country,*
and having been on the committee that prepares the questions and
grades the exams, I think I can speak with some authority! <br>
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I don't think the problem is one of knowledge but one of identity of
the filer, and the PTO claims to be addressing the latter problem
(in part by diligently rooting out those virtual addresses). The
difficulty of an exam is where you draw the line on knowledge. Will
you draw it where those business lawyers who file 2-3 applications
are year, and surely don't know the TMEP (and, god forbid, are still
filing paper applications) will fail, or not bother to take it? Who
does that serve? (Well us, for starters.) How huge is the
administrative burden and cost of testing tens of thousands of
people?<br>
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The data you cited revealed very few offices filing a lot of
applications. IMHO, what the attorney representation requirement did
was turn a cottage industry into a consolidated industry that works
way more efficiently than those individuals ever did. The industrial
machine will have a lawyer take (and pass) the exam and still file
just as many fraudulent applications. Crooks gonna crook and there
are plenty of lawyers who would be willing to flout the ethical
rules to do it - I mean, it's not like they send you to jail for it.
So you won't have solved the problem but you will have reduced the
number lawyers available to the public for legitimate work. So I
don't see testing as a step that will actually do much to address
the problem.<br>
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Pam<br>
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*AFAIK, North Carolina is the only state to have a trademark
specialty and there are currently 25 of us on the list. \U0001f44b\U0001f44b my
fellow NC specialists!<br>
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<div class="moz-signature">Pamela S. Chestek<br>
Chestek Legal<br>
PLEASE NOTE OUR NEW MAILING ADDRESS<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/20/2025 9:36 AM, Lara Pearson via
E-trademarks wrote:<br>
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Perhaps the list serv can pick up the mantle if there is consensus
here that this might be a viable solution.
<div>I'd be especially thrilled if we could swap this solution out
for the ineffective, arduous Domicile Requirement that does
nothing to achieve it's stated purpose (as Clarivate's table
shows) and instead causes bona fide applicants time, money and
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<div>Lara Pearson, Esq.</div>
<div>Law Office of Lara Pearson Ltd, PBC & Brand Geek</div>
<div>775.833.1600</div>
<div>Calendly.com/BrandGeek (let's meet)</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">On Jan 20, 2025, at 9:32\u202fAM, Miriam
Richter, Esq. <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mrichter@richtertrademarks.com"><mrichter@richtertrademarks.com></a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Lara,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">For
years, I was very vocal about this idea (as many on
this list serve can attest). As hard as I tried, and
as many PTO and AIPLA officials as I talked to, I
could not get any traction. If you want to pick up
the mantle, you have my full support! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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E-trademarks
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lara Pearson via
E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 20, 2025 12:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Lara Pearson
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lara@brandgeek.net"><lara@brandgeek.net></a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] 2024 USPTO
filings (mostly not from this list)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">One of the suggestions I made in my
post was that the US PTO administer a trademark
admissions exam similar in nature to that which it
uses for patent attorneys.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would love to know ya'll
thoughts on whether that could work to address the
issue of fraudulent, primarily Chinese, TM apps.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm especially curious to hear
from Carl and the other patent/TM attorneys on the
list.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Happy MLK Day.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Lara Pearson, Esq.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Law Office of Lara Pearson
Ltd, PBC & Brand Geek<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">775.833.1600<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Calendly.com/BrandGeek (let's
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Jan 19, 2025, at 6:02<span
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Pamela Chestek via E-trademarks <<a
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<p>Fascinating reading, thanks for posting Lara.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Pam<o:p></o:p></p>
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Chestek Legal<br>
PLEASE NOTE OUR NEW MAILING ADDRESS<br>
4641 Post St.<br>
Unit 4316<br>
El Dorado Hills, CA 95762<br>
+1 919-800-8033<br>
pamela@chesteklegal<br>
<a href="http://www.chesteklegal.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.chesteklegal.com</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 1/19/2025 5:25 PM, Lara
Pearson via E-trademarks wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Happy
Sunday Funday.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I reposted Robert Reading
& Clarivate's data on 2024 US TM filings
on LinkedIn: <a
href="https://www.linkedin.com/posts/brandgeek_trademarks-activity-7286822761556033536-bRZ3?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios"
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<p class="MsoNormal">Let's discuss (here, and
there, and everywhere) and may we each find
a joyful way to honor MLK tomorrow.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I feel grateful for each
of you, and this list brings me joy (and so
much wisdom).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Lara Pearson, Esq.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Law Office of Lara
Pearson Ltd, PBC & Brand Geek<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">775.833.1600<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Calendly.com/BrandGeek
(let's meet)<o:p></o:p></p>
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