<div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Also, for anybody not familiar:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">The word "telework" perhaps tends to bring to mind a situation where there's a physical building that can house all of the employees but where (at least some of) the employees may have the option of working from elsewhere. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">The USPTO has no such building. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">If all of the employees were required physically to come to Alexandria, there'd be nowhere for (most of) them to work. </div><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></span></div><div><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Sincerely,</font></div><div><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><br></font></div><div><div style="font-size:small"><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Ed Timberlake </font></div><div style="font-size:small"><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><i><a href="https://www.nclawspecialists.gov/for-the-public/find-a-board-certified-specialist/results/detail/?id=29473" target="_blank">Board Certified Specialist in Trademark Law</a></i></font></div><div style="font-size:small"><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><br></font></div><div style="font-size:small"><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><a href="http://timberlakelaw.com/" target="_blank"><b>Timberlake Law</b></a></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif">Chapel Hill, NC<br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><a href="https://clarity.fm/edtimberlake" target="_blank">Schedule a call on Clarity</a><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><a href="mailto:ed@timberlakelaw.com" target="_blank">ed@timberlakelaw.com</a><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif">919.960.1950<br></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><img width="96" height="96" src="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4zUm0zjuSoSf91b85RXakFjrbAqMcNkJek2_S8VO9eHNz9mDAX5u3RBN0aEhVODltVLqRN-NYsDzt7A"><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 2:16\u202fPM Mark Kaufman via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg3853355860742042722"><div lang="EN-US" style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div class="m_3853355860742042722WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Are you suggesting that an unintended consequence of a shoot-from-the-hip Executive Order might be to shut down the very agency that protects U.S. intellectual property (and allegedly makes the United States competitive among the nations)?</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">\u201cI\u2019m shocked.\u201d</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Thank you,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Mark</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Book Antiqua",serif">Mark S. 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This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Rachael Dickson <<a href="mailto:rachael@catalyticlaw.com" target="_blank">rachael@catalyticlaw.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] PTO abandoning remote work?</span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Regarding a hiring freeze: I do not know what the USPTO is doing now, but when I started as a trademark examining attorney in January 2017, I was rushed through the hiring process along with tons of others (way more than they usually would hire at once) and started work a few days before the inauguration. This was done purposefully to get as many people working there before a hiring freeze went through. I strongly suspect they did something similar this year as soon as the election results were clear.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u>More telework statistics to answer a few people's questions: </u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">According to the USPTO's 2023 Telework report (there doesn't seem to be a 2024 one yet), 96% of USPTO employees are enrolled in a telework program - 12,894 in all. </p></div><div><ul type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">11,560 of those work from home 5 days a week; 1,220 teleworkers work from home 1-4 days per week.</li><li class="MsoNormal">Total trademark teleworkers: 1,118 </li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">-99.91% of eligible trademark positions are teleworking</li><li class="MsoNormal">Total patent teleworkers: 9,977</li><li class="MsoNormal">-95.58% of eligible patent positions are teleworking.</li></ul></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.uspto.gov/sites/default/files/documents/TAR_2023.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.uspto.gov/sites/default/files/documents/TAR_2023.pdf</a></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="450" style="width:337.5pt"><tbody><tr><td width="450" style="width:337.5pt;padding:0in"></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 1:13<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">\u202f</span>PM Laura Geyer via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The important thing is that for many of these Executive Orders, many of which are either hilariously unconstitutional or violate any one of a number of existing laws that can\u2019t be changed this way, the jury will be out for a bit on whether this or that one is enforceable. The remote work one is, I understand from friends and relations, being challenged by the unions for the moment. </p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">Speaking as someone who is married to, friends with, related to, and surrounded by good and faithful government employees, we\u2019re all watching to see which of the straight-up pointlessly abusive/vexatious (and entirely unrelated to \u201cefficiency\u201d as we all know, because the \u201cprofessionals\u201d brought on board to make these recommendations or changes like to say the inside part out loud) are actually going to stick. </p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">Will their pensions be, in fact, cut or new requirements be imposed that add years to planned retirement? Will remote work be ended and how widespread will that enforcement be? Will it be like last time when mass numbers of employees in certain targeted agencies had their places of work moved thousands of miles away, again, as was enunciated at the time, to force people to retire or quit unless willing to up sticks and relocate to the middle of nowhere? I\u2019ve got a card with a running list of the changes about to be or promised to be inflicted on federal employees (again, many of which are intentionally abusive and have no other goal or purpose) so I can keep up with it. It\u2019s insanity. </p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">But what else could one have expected? When people tell you who they are, you gotta believe them.</p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:rgb(23,78,134)">Laura Talley Geyer</span></b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"> | </span><b><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102)">Of Counsel</span></b><span style="color:black"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:rgb(23,78,134)"> </span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:rgb(23,78,134)">ND Galli Law LLC</span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal">1200 G Street, N.W., Ste 800</p><p class="MsoNormal">Washington, DC 20005</p><p class="MsoNormal">Tel: (202) 599-9019 (direct)</p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://ndgallilaw.com/laura-geyer/" target="_blank">https://ndgallilaw.com/laura-geyer/</a></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://ndgallilaw.com/" target="_blank">https://ndgallilaw.com/</a></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rick Bigelow via E-trademarks<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 21, 2025 10:19 AM<br><b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Rick Bigelow <<a href="mailto:bigelowpatentlaw@gmail.com" target="_blank">bigelowpatentlaw@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] PTO abandoning remote work?</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><b><span style="color:rgb(204,0,0)">EXTERNAL EMAIL</span></b></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I've received emails from examiners on Saturdays and Sundays which tells me they were working remotely. If they were in the office, the emails probably would not have been sent until Monday. </p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I think remote working can be a plus if managed correctly. My daughter was hired as a VP for an international company full time work remotely. </p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 10:15<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">\u202f</span>AM Michael D. Steger via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I don\u2019t think they have offices for anywhere close to all of the examiners.</p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">My brother in law is an attorney for another agency, and his section has not had offices for a several years, so there is no \u201coffice\u201d for them to go back to work. </p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">Mike Steger</p><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kevin Grierson via E-trademarks<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 21, 2025 10:09 AM<br><b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Kevin Grierson <<a href="mailto:kgrierson@cm.law" target="_blank">kgrierson@cm.law</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] PTO abandoning remote work?</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">Saw a post from Professor Dickson yesterday about Trump\u2019s executive order ending remote work for federal employees. Seems to be some wiggle room in it, but wow, aren\u2019t there a ton of examiners working remotely? 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