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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Carl Oppedahl via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 21, 2025 5:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Carl Oppedahl <carl@oppedahl.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] keeping things politics-free? (was abandoning remote work? Note Federal telework Act)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Thank you Don for posting. As the sponsor of this and a dozen other intellectual property practitioner listservs, I will share my own feeling about this particular topic. You are quite right that the collegiality of this listserv is precious and important.
Balanced against this is the reality that all of our livelihoods are tied closely to things that happen at the USPTO. I will invite listserv members to continue to discuss this particular topic, while doing the best we can to minimize as best one can the
risk of political polarization in any part of the discussion.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Yes it is a simple fact that if the USPTO management were to try to bring an end to work-from-home, it would simply fail, for many reasons. One very simple factual reason is that there are not enough chairs and benches in the USPTO office buildings to provide
places for the WFH employees to sit if they were all to start reporting to work at the office in person.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I recognize that there surely are members of this listserv who voted for the newly inaugurated president just as other members of this listserv did not vote for the newly inaugurated president. Hopefully we can find ways to monitor the continued developments
about this particular Executive Order, as it relates to the USPTO, in discussions that can be nearly purely factual, doing our best to try to avoid needlessly getting into the broader political polarization that affects every one of us every day.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I probably did not express these thoughts very well, for which I apologize in advance. But I hope we can avoid polarizing words and tones while discussing developments at the USPTO.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Laura Geyer via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 21, 2025 1:31 PM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Laura Geyer <a href="mailto:lgeyer@ndgallilaw.com"><lgeyer@ndgallilaw.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] PTO abandoning remote work? Note Federal telework Act<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">That one, the briefs and amici were already ready to go before the election. I\u2019ve linked the ACLU brief here, and also there are 18 state attys general who brought suit separately,
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Ending birthright citizenship cannot be done by EO. That at least is straightforward. It has to be done by Amendment to the Constitution.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kevin Grierson via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 21, 2025 4:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Kevin Grierson <<a href="mailto:kgrierson@cm.law">kgrierson@cm.law</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] PTO abandoning remote work? Note Federal telework Act<o:p></o:p></p>
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fact that the PTO\u2019s telework system is enabled by legislation is going to stop them. That said, I would guess that either the union or an individual who was told they couldn\u2019t telework any more would have standing to sue to stop the order, but given the squishiness
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Catherine Goe via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 21, 2025 3:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> for trademark practitioners <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Catherine Goe <<a href="mailto:goecat@gmail.com">goecat@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] PTO abandoning remote work? Note Federal telework Act<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">There's more than meets the eye here. See the link below for "History, Legislation & Reports" from U.S. Office of Personnel Management re: the Federal telework Act. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Born of the invention of enabling technology. Note long History, rationale and benefits sought, e.g., cost cutting..<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">And, assuming there are grounds to challenge the Executive Order, who could/would bring such an action? <o:p></o:p></p>
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From: <strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dan Feigelson via E-trademarks</span></strong> <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
Date: Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 3:08\u202fPM<br>
Subject: Re: [E-trademarks] PTO abandoning remote work?<br>
To: For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
Cc: Dan Feigelson <<a href="mailto:djf@iliplaw.com">djf@iliplaw.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">What they SHOULD have done, and SHOULD do, is assign the entirety of each art unit to one of their physical offices, and require employees to physically show up for work. It would
vastly improve examination quality. For example, all of group 1600 (which examines inter alia pharmaceuticals) should be physically in the same office. I don't care if it's Alexandria or one of the other three, but put them all in one physical office. It would
improve training, and it would allow for better retention of institutional memory, which would lead to more uniform and better examination.
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the public of poor patent examination (a cost which is difficult to quantify in any event). And as mentioned earlier in this thread, there's the union, which opposes any changes, and people who don't want to move, which is understandable in the short-term,
but not something the PTO should be factoring in. (It's great to be a monopoly and not have to worry about whether or not you're giving the public you serve the best possible service.)
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