<div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">At the risk of sounding snarkier than I actually feel, it may not always be terribly is to define "an actual lawyer."</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Is somebody who graduates from law school a lawyer? Are they an actual lawyer?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Is somebody who has graduated from law school and has taken the bar exam a lawyer?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Is somebody who has graduated from law school, taken the bar exam, passed the bar exam but has not yet been admitted to practice in any jurisdiction a lawyer?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Is somebody who has graduated from law school, taken the bar exam, been hired and trained by the PTO but not yet received their bar results a lawyer?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Sincerely,</font></div><div><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><br></font></div><div><div style="font-size:small"><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Ed Timberlake </font></div><div style="font-size:small"><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><i><a href="https://www.nclawspecialists.gov/for-the-public/find-a-board-certified-specialist/results/detail/?id=29473" target="_blank">Board Certified Specialist in Trademark Law</a></i></font></div><div style="font-size:small"><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><br></font></div><div style="font-size:small"><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><a href="http://timberlakelaw.com/" target="_blank"><b>Timberlake Law</b></a></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif">Chapel Hill, NC<br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><a href="https://clarity.fm/edtimberlake" target="_blank">Schedule a call on Clarity</a><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><a href="mailto:ed@timberlakelaw.com" target="_blank">ed@timberlakelaw.com</a><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif">919.960.1950<br></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><img width="96" height="96" src="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4zUm0zjuSoSf91b85RXakFjrbAqMcNkJek2_S8VO9eHNz9mDAX5u3RBN0aEhVODltVLqRN-NYsDzt7A"><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 1:22\u202fPM Laura Geyer via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-7813323730242933718">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">I probably missed something where this change was announced, but I was recently invited to view one of the most fiddly, pointless initial office actions I\u2019ve ever seen (not my client!), signed by a \u201cTrademark
Examining Law Clerk\u201d and not an examining attorney. It was a refusal w/ very boilerplate cut-n-paste and included mistakes of law that do not apply to the covered situation and some stuff that was just weird.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">So is it now normal at the PTO for non-attorneys to examine applications and issue refusals that are pretty clearly \u201cpractice of law\u201d? Can one request that an actual lawyer take a look at it before blowing
a lot of client money responding to a seriously shoddy OA?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">Laura<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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