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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Dugger via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 23, 2025 10:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com<br>
<b>Cc:</b> John Dugger <jedugger@gmail.com>; e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] "Trademark Examining Law Clerk"??<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Newly hired Examining Attorneys start as law clerks until they are admitted to the bar. This is likely a recent graduate who just started with the agency. New hires must be admitted to the bar within one year to keep the job. We all make
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Jan 23, 2025, at 12:34<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span>PM, Elizabeth J. Rest via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">WHAT?! This horrifies me. I haven\u2019t seen that yet and if that\u2019s true it\u2019s not fair to us who have to deal with the nonsense Office Actions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Laura Geyer via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 23, 2025 10:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Laura Geyer <<a href="mailto:lgeyer@ndgallilaw.com">lgeyer@ndgallilaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] "Trademark Examining Law Clerk"??</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I probably missed something where this change was announced, but I was recently invited to view one of the most fiddly, pointless initial office actions I\u2019ve ever seen (not my client!), signed by a \u201cTrademark
Examining Law Clerk\u201d and not an examining attorney. It was a refusal w/ very boilerplate cut-n-paste and included mistakes of law that do not apply to the covered situation and some stuff that was just weird.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">So is it now normal at the PTO for non-attorneys to examine applications and issue refusals that are pretty clearly \u201cpractice of law\u201d? Can one request that an actual lawyer take a look at it before blowing
a lot of client money responding to a seriously shoddy OA?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Laura</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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