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<p>Yes it is painfully clear the developers actually went out of
their way to avoid doing meaningful alpha or beta testing with
actual paying customers, especially not actual paying customers
who serve clients.</p>
<p>There are dozens of places where TC is actively hostile to filers
who serve clients. The filing system was clearly designed with
one design goal and one only: to reduce work for USPTO staff when
they would have to examine an application filed by a <i>pro se</i>
filer. The idea must have been that the <i>pro se</i> filer
ought to be forced to trudge through laborious screen-by-screen
data entry, the goal being to force validations and questions upon
the filer to reduce how much work it would be later for USPTO
staff. And that no amount of labor and trudging is "too much".
If tacking on an extra twenty mouse clicks for the filer and an
extra twenty minutes of screen time for the filer has a chance of
saving one mouse click or one minute of time for the USPTO staff
person, then that is the correct allocation of burdens.</p>
<p>And if this imposes a massive unnecessary filing burden on the
trademark practitioner community, who cares?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/8/2025 4:13 PM, Annette Heller
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<div class="userEdit"><span>That's my understanding. In my
opinion, the developers did not confer or test the program
with trademark users to see what was right and what was
incorrect. In my former life before law school, I designed
forms and I always had the user review and use drafts before
printing. I would expect program developers to do the same.<br>
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<div><span>Annette P. Heller</span><br>
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In a message dated 2/8/2025 5:08:06 PM Central Standard Time,
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<div dir="ltr">Today I was trying to prepare a trademark
application in Trademark <br>
Center. The click path eventually brought me to the place
to upload my <br>
specimens of use. This application has only one trademark
class. I was <br>
uploading six specimens of use.<br>
<br>
For each of my six specimens of use, TC requires that I
laboriously <br>
enter a DOFU and a DOFUIC.<br>
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The developers apparently contemplate that there might be
six DOFUs, one <br>
for each of my specimens of use. This strikes me as
stupid. The DOFU <br>
does not apply to the specimens. It applies to the
trademark. Right?<br>
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The developers apparently contemplate that there might be
six DOFUICs, <br>
one for each of my specimens of use. This strikes me as
stupid. The <br>
DOFUIC does not apply to the specimens. It applies to the
trademark. <br>
Right?
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