<div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Also, it looks like the relevant section (that speaks specifically to the "downloadable or recorded" issue is TMEP 1402.03(d):</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><a href="https://tmep.uspto.gov/RDMS/TMEP/current#/current/TMEP-1400d1e2241.html">https://tmep.uspto.gov/RDMS/TMEP/current#/current/TMEP-1400d1e2241.html</a><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></span></div><div><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Sincerely,</font></div><div><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><br></font></div><div><div style="font-size:small"><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Ed Timberlake </font></div><div style="font-size:small"><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><i><a href="https://www.nclawspecialists.gov/for-the-public/find-a-board-certified-specialist/results/detail/?id=29473" target="_blank">Board Certified Specialist in Trademark Law</a></i></font></div><div style="font-size:small"><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><br></font></div><div style="font-size:small"><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><a href="http://timberlakelaw.com/" target="_blank"><b>Timberlake Law</b></a></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif">Chapel Hill, NC<br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><a href="https://clarity.fm/edtimberlake" target="_blank">Schedule a call on Clarity</a><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><a href="mailto:ed@timberlakelaw.com" target="_blank">ed@timberlakelaw.com</a><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif">919.960.1950<br></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><img width="96" height="96" src="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4zUm0zjuSoSf91b85RXakFjrbAqMcNkJek2_S8VO9eHNz9mDAX5u3RBN0aEhVODltVLqRN-NYsDzt7A"><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 12:03\u202fPM Crane, Susan via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-1826320373138806054">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">How about just \u201cdownloadable software; recordable software\u201d and eliminate the conjunction altogether.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Zemanick via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 12, 2025 11:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> e-trademarks (<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>) <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Steve Zemanick <<a href="mailto:Steve@fourreasonslegal.com" target="_blank">Steve@fourreasonslegal.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] Or vs And in IDs<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:1pt;color:white">Hello learned friends, I have an office action stating the following: \u201capplicant has included the term \u201cor\u201d in the identification. However, this term is generally
not accepted in identifications when (1) it is unclear whether<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Hello learned friends,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I have an office action stating the following:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">\u201capplicant has included the term
<b>\u201cor\u201d </b>in the identification. However, this term is generally not accepted in identifications when (1) it is unclear whether applicant is using the mark, or intends to use the mark, on all the identified goods or services; (2) the nature of the goods and
services is unclear; or (3) classification cannot be determined from such wording.
<i>See </i>TMEP §1402.03(a).\u201d<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">A quick scan of the cited TMEP section reveals no such \u201cgenerally not accepted\u201d language, nor anything directed to \u201cor\u201d vs \u201cand.\u201d<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">In this case, the original ID is \u201cdownloadable or recorded computer software,\u201d which, in my mind, is more clear than \u201cdownloadable and recorded computer software\u201d because the
latter could either mean that one kind software was either both downloadable and recorded, or available for either download or as a recorded version. The \u201cor\u201d version makes it clear the software is not both downloadable and recorded.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Am I all wet in thinking about challenging the Examiner on this one?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Seems like a waste of time in any case, but welcome other perspectives.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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