<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Thank you to everyone who responded so quickly!<div>It seems that it's not just my examiner who's prickly</div><div>The phone appears to be the best means of communication,</div><div>When what's needed is an amendment to a proposed identification.</div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:-webkit-xxx-large">\U0001f609</span><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfSignature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Lara Pearson, Esq.</div><div>Law Office of Lara Pearson Ltd, PBC & Brand Geek</div><div>775.833.1600</div><div>Calendly.com/BrandGeek (let's meet)</div><div><div><br></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Creative typoing by iPhone</span></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Feb 12, 2025, at 8:40\u202fAM, Kevin Grierson via E-trademarks <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">\ufeff
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yep, my experience is that they won\u2019t commit to anything in writing and you get the \u201cadvisory opinion\u201d language. That said, if I can get an examiner on the phone they are usually a bit more helpful.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Crane, Susan via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 12, 2025 11:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Crane, Susan <susan.crane@wyndham.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Have I lost my mind or has the Examiner lost theirs?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Examiners used to be willing to work with you to craft acceptable IDs, but this has been their recent position in my experience.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lara Pearson via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 12, 2025 11:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Lara Pearson <<a href="mailto:lara@brandgeek.net">lara@brandgeek.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] Have I lost my mind or has the Examiner lost theirs?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am feeling confused. I received a refusal based on the ID of services. The Examiner's initial proposal for a revised ID had nothing to do with what my client was offering. I sent the Examiner an email stating that their proposed ID was
inaccurate and asking them to work with me on an appropriate ID that accurately reflects my clients offering. I then received this email from an Examiner this morning\u2026<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">While we are not allowed to give advisory opinions, the best I can suggest for what you described below is the following, if accurate:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> LLLLLLLLLL (there was an actual ID here that will work for my client). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I hope this helps, but please understand that any further proposals should be filed in an amendment for official review.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:17.5pt;font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;color:black">I don't believe I am asking for an advisory opinion. I am asking the USPTO Examiner to work with me to craft an acceptable ID that both meets the requirements of the ID rules and accurately
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<span style="font-size:17.5pt;font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;color:black">Thanks for helping set me straight.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:17.5pt;font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;color:black">Gratefully,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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