<div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif;font-size:16px">Dear Steve,</span></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma;font-size:medium"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="font-size:16px"><br></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma;font-size:medium"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="font-size:16px"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif">Personally, I hate that we even have to specify recorded vs. downloadable software at this point. But is this part of a curly-bracket, fill-in-the-blank entry? Or a free form? Normally, I just use the individual, separate entries for "recorded software" and "downloadable software" from the Manual. That would avoid the whole problem, if possible.</span><br></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma;font-size:medium"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="font-size:16px"><br></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma;font-size:medium"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="font-size:16px">Cheers,</span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma;font-size:medium"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="font-size:16px"> </span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma;font-size:medium"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0);font-size:12pt">Sam<span> Castree, III</span></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma;font-size:medium"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0);font-size:12pt"><br></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:medium"><font face="times new roman, serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0);font-size:12pt"><span><i>Sam Castree Law, LLC</i></span></span></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="times new roman, serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)"><span><span style="font-size:12pt"><i>3421 W. Elm St.</i></span></span></span></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="times new roman, serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)"><span><span style="font-size:12pt"><i>McHenry, IL 60050</i></span></span></span></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="times new roman, serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)"><span><span style="font-size:12pt"><i>(815) 344-6300</i></span></span></span></font></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 10:58\u202fAM Steve Zemanick via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-67540993761893931">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello learned friends,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have an office action stating the following:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">\u201capplicant has included the term <b>\u201cor\u201d </b>in the identification. However, this term is generally not accepted in identifications when (1) it is unclear whether applicant is using the mark, or intends to use the mark, on all the identified
goods or services; (2) the nature of the goods and services is unclear; or (3) classification cannot be determined from such wording.
<i>See </i>TMEP §1402.03(a).\u201d<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A quick scan of the cited TMEP section reveals no such \u201cgenerally not accepted\u201d language, nor anything directed to \u201cor\u201d vs \u201cand.\u201d<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In this case, the original ID is \u201cdownloadable or recorded computer software,\u201d which, in my mind, is more clear than \u201cdownloadable and recorded computer software\u201d because the latter could either mean that one kind software was either both
downloadable and recorded, or available for either download or as a recorded version. The \u201cor\u201d version makes it clear the software is not both downloadable and recorded.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am I all wet in thinking about challenging the Examiner on this one?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Seems like a waste of time in any case, but welcome other perspectives.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Steve Zemanick<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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