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Because you improperly shifted the burden of proof, asking naive
applicants to confess before they know what they're being charged
with. If the examining attorney had no reason to believe that
"Triangle" was geographically descriptive because their examination
of objective evidence did not show that the consumer's understanding
of the term is one of geographic descriptiveness, by providing that
information you've both added even more capriciousness to an already
capricious process and added more work to the examining attorney.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/12/2025 2:28 PM, Edward Timberlake
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Triangle Cleaners because my dry cleaning establishment is
in the Triangle area,"<span class="gmail_default"> I'm not
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result in a geographic descriptiveness refusal because that
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geographic significance of "Triangle" to somebody outside
of the Triangle area of North Carolina could influence the
assessment of whether registration on the Principal
Register was appropriate, and also whether and how much
evidence of acquired distinctiveness might be appropriate
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<div> My guess is you would get far too much noise if you
asked that question, with people telling you "it's a
combination of the first letters of my kid's names."<br>
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Also, the burden is on the office identify the barriers to
registration. The statutory bases for refusing registration
are about the objective meaning to a consumer, not the wide
variety of reasons I might have for choosing a trademark. If
I say "I chose the mark Triangle Cleaners because my dry
cleaning establishment is in the Triangle area," should that
result in a geographic descriptiveness refusal because that
was the applicant's inspiration, even though "Triangle"
could have many, many different meanings and therefore
wouldn't ordinarily get a geographic descriptiveness
refusal? So you're going to deny some registrations, but not
others, depending on what the applicant confesses? That
surely plays even more havoc with a system that is already
pretty capricious.<br>
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than ask why a significance inquiry was made in this
case one might reasonably ask why significance
statements aren't a part of all applications for
registration.</div>
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there's something you know (about how a mark might
be likely to be perceived in a particular industry)
that the Trademark Examining Attorney doesn't know
that could influence the analysis of whether
registration is appropriate under the statute,
mightn't it make sense for you to be required to
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least in my opinion, the fact that we're not asked
to make a separate statement in the vast majority of
instances more than outweighs the occasional need to
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>carla calcagno via
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 12,
2025 3:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners.
This is not for laypersons to seek legal
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Mark
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<p class="MsoNormal">If it is an unusual
word and the Examiner can't find any
meaning in the numerous resources
available to them, I have seen them issue
this inquiry just to ensure that they
haven't missed anything. A simple response
that the term has no industry,
geographical,or foreign language
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<p class="MsoNormal">I received an
office action with a \u201cMark
Significance\u201d requirement asking
for industry, geographical, and
foreign language significance. I
am trying to determine what
triggered it. An application for a
nearly identical name (for
different goods) sailed through
without triggering it. The office
action don\u2019t cite the TMEP for
this and I wasn\u2019t able to find
TMEP instructions on point. Does
the examiner do any sort of
research that causes this?</p>
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