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to find a balance between the amount of consultation time we give to clients who keep wanting more for the fee we charge, these examiners might be trying to draw a line with how much time they think they can give us if they think the ID issue is taking too
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Also, some examiners are just natural phone talkers and like to do most of their business talking to applicants and amending by examiner amendments. That used to
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<b>Subject:</b> [EXT] Re: [E-trademarks] Have I lost my mind or has the Examiner lost theirs?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I actually had the opposite experience just last week. A very helpful and friendly examining attorney explained to me why certain identifications for goods weren\u2019t
definite enough (this was an application based on a foreign registration, so the goods were especially vague in some areas), reviewed certain proposals to clarify the goods, provided feedback on those proposals, and proposed acceptable alternative language
for the client to consider. He even offered to take a look at the client\u2019s product in order to provide more accurate alternative language. And that was all via email.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kevin Grierson via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 12, 2025 11:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Kevin Grierson <<a href="mailto:kgrierson@cm.law">kgrierson@cm.law</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Have I lost my mind or has the Examiner lost theirs?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yep, my experience is that they won\u2019t commit to anything in writing and you get the \u201cadvisory opinion\u201d language. That said, if I can get an examiner on the phone they are usually a bit more helpful.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 12, 2025 11:29 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Have I lost my mind or has the Examiner lost theirs?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Examiners used to be willing to work with you to craft acceptable IDs, but this has been their recent position in my experience.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lara Pearson via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 12, 2025 11:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Lara Pearson <<a href="mailto:lara@brandgeek.net">lara@brandgeek.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] Have I lost my mind or has the Examiner lost theirs?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am feeling confused. I received a refusal based on the ID of services. The Examiner's initial proposal for a revised ID had nothing to do with what my client was offering. I sent the Examiner an email stating that their proposed ID was
inaccurate and asking them to work with me on an appropriate ID that accurately reflects my clients offering. I then received this email from an Examiner this morning\u2026<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">While we are not allowed to give advisory opinions, the best I can suggest for what you described below is the following, if accurate:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> LLLLLLLLLL (there was an actual ID here that will work for my client). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I hope this helps, but please understand that any further proposals should be filed in an amendment for official review.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:17.5pt;font-family:"UICTFontTextStyleBody",serif;color:black">I don't believe I am asking for an advisory opinion. I am asking the USPTO Examiner to work with me to craft an acceptable ID that both meets the requirements of the ID rules
and accurately reflects what my client is doing. Is that fair game or is that in permissively seeking a "advisory opinion?"</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:17.5pt;font-family:"UICTFontTextStyleBody",serif;color:black">Thanks for helping set me straight.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:17.5pt;font-family:"UICTFontTextStyleBody",serif;color:black">Gratefully,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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