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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Zemanick via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 12, 2025 11:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> e-trademarks (e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com) <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Steve Zemanick <Steve@fourreasonslegal.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] Or vs And in IDs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-line-height-alt:.75pt"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">Hello learned friends, I have an office action stating the following: applicant has included the term or in the identification. However, this term is generally
not accepted in identifications when (1) it is unclear whether<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">Hello learned friends,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">I have an office action stating the following:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">applicant has included the term
<b>or </b>in the identification. However, this term is generally not accepted in identifications when (1) it is unclear whether applicant is using the mark, or intends to use the mark, on all the identified goods or services; (2) the nature of the goods and
services is unclear; or (3) classification cannot be determined from such wording.
<i>See </i>TMEP 1402.03(a).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">A quick scan of the cited TMEP section reveals no such generally not accepted language, nor anything directed to or vs and.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">In this case, the original ID is downloadable or recorded computer software, which, in my mind, is more clear than downloadable and recorded computer software because the
latter could either mean that one kind software was either both downloadable and recorded, or available for either download or as a recorded version. The or version makes it clear the software is not both downloadable and recorded.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">Am I all wet in thinking about challenging the Examiner on this one?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">Seems like a waste of time in any case, but welcome other perspectives.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Steve Zemanick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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