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<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, 12 February 2025 at 10:43</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">\u202f</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">am<br>
<b>To: </b>For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Kevin Grierson <kgrierson@cm.law><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [E-trademarks] Have I lost my mind or has the Examiner lost theirs?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Yep, my experience is that they won\u2019t commit to anything in writing and you get the \u201cadvisory opinion\u201d language. That said, if I can get an examiner on the phone they are usually a bit more helpful.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Crane, Susan via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 12, 2025 11:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Crane, Susan <susan.crane@wyndham.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Have I lost my mind or has the Examiner lost theirs?</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Examiners used to be willing to work with you to craft acceptable IDs, but this has been their recent position in my experience.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lara Pearson via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 12, 2025 11:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Lara Pearson <<a href="mailto:lara@brandgeek.net">lara@brandgeek.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] Have I lost my mind or has the Examiner lost theirs?</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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I received a refusal based on the ID of services. The Examiner's initial proposal for a revised ID had nothing to do with what my client was offering.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:white">\u200a</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">I am feeling confused. I received a refusal based on the ID of services. The Examiner's initial proposal for a revised ID had nothing to do with what my client was offering. I sent the Examiner
an email stating that their proposed ID was inaccurate and asking them to work with me on an appropriate ID that accurately reflects my clients offering. I then received this email from an Examiner this morning\u2026<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">While we are not allowed to give advisory opinions, the best I can suggest for what you described below is the following, if accurate:</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> LLLLLLLLLL (there was an actual ID here that will work for my client). </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I hope this helps, but please understand that any further proposals should be filed in an amendment for official review.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:17.5pt;font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;color:black">I don't believe I am asking for an advisory opinion. I am asking the USPTO Examiner to work with me to craft an acceptable ID that both meets the
requirements of the ID rules and accurately reflects what my client is doing. Is that fair game or is that in permissively seeking a "advisory opinion?"</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:17.5pt;font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;color:black">Thanks for helping set me straight.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:17.5pt;font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;color:black">Gratefully,</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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