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<p>I wonder if some Managers might ask to be demoted to Examining
Attorney so that they can continue working from home. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/13/2025 2:01 PM, Alex Butterman
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I spoke to a TTAB Judge over the
weekend that I am friends with and she told me that the
unions have protected the work@home status for all its
members, which is basically everyone not a Manager or in an
appointed position (which includes judges), i.e. examiners,
interlock attorneys and paralegals. So if anyone wants to
quit because they can no longer work at home, it likely will
be the Managers.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span>
E-trademarks
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Carl Oppedahl via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 13, 2025 3:38 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [EXT] Re: [E-trademarks] Trademark
Employee Exodus? No Evidence So Far</span></p>
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<p>Thank you for posting. It will be very interesting to see
how this changes over the next few months.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2/13/2025 1:09 PM, Ken Boone via
E-trademarks wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Pardon me for reviving (briefly) an
ugly topic, but ...</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 29 Jan, I exported from the USPTO's
employee locator all the L offices (which were primarily
the Trademark Law Offices). Today, I understand the
<i>Fork in the Road</i> is closed - that federal employees
can no longer accept the deferred retirement proposed by
the new administration, so I repeated the export performed
on 29 Jan. Below is a summary of current L office
employee counts. Only a few changes are noted, but who
knows what a similar check performed next week might show?
(A positive change means an increase of employees; a
negative change means a decrease of employees. Protecting
privacy, I'm not interested in checking actual names for
changes.)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Good news so far, as I see only a net
loss of 1 employee for all trademark L offices (that is,
so far, there is no evidence of mass exits by the deferred
retirement offer among the Trademark Law Offices, but this
is an early look at the data).</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>2/13 Counts</b> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Office</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Office Description</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Change</b></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">16</p>
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</td>
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<p class="MsoNormal">T/LL </p>
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</td>
<td><br>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">TRADEMARK LAW LIBRARY </p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">30</p>
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</td>
<td><br>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO101 </p>
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</td>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 101 </p>
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</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td><br>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">15</p>
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</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO102 </p>
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</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 102 </p>
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</td>
<td><br>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">29</p>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO103 </p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 103 </p>
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</td>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">27</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO104 </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 104 </p>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">26</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO105 </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 105 </p>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">1</p>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">29</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO106 </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 106 </p>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">28</p>
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</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO107 </p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 107 </p>
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</td>
<td><br>
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<td><br>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">29</p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO108 </p>
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</td>
<td><br>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 108 </p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
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<td><br>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">31</p>
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</td>
<td><br>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO109 </p>
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</td>
<td><br>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 109 </p>
</div>
</td>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">29</p>
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</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO110 </p>
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</td>
<td><br>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 110 </p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
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<td><br>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">25</p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO111 </p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 111 </p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">29</p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO112 </p>
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</td>
<td><br>
</td>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 112 </p>
</div>
</td>
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<td><br>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">23</p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO113 </p>
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</td>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 113 </p>
</div>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">25</p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO114 </p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 114 </p>
</div>
</td>
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<td><br>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">27</p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO115 </p>
</div>
</td>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 115 </p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">-1</p>
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</td>
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<tr>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">29</p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO116 </p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 116 </p>
</div>
</td>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">27</p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO117 </p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 117 </p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">15</p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO118 </p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 118 </p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
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<td><br>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">15</p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO119 </p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 119 </p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
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<td><br>
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</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">28</p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO120 </p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 120 </p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
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<td><br>
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</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">26</p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO121 </p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 121 </p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">24</p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO122 </p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 122 </p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
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<td><br>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">27</p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO123 </p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 123 </p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
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<tr>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">14</p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO124 </p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 124 </p>
</div>
</td>
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<td><br>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">29</p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO125 </p>
</div>
</td>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 125 </p>
</div>
</td>
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</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">-1</p>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">30</p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO126 </p>
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</td>
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</td>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 126 </p>
</div>
</td>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">1</p>
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</td>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">27</p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO127 </p>
</div>
</td>
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</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 127 </p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
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<td><br>
</td>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">30</p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO128 </p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 128 </p>
</div>
</td>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">28</p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO129 </p>
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</td>
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</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 129 </p>
</div>
</td>
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<td><br>
</td>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">17</p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO130 </p>
</div>
</td>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 130 </p>
</div>
</td>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">15</p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO131 </p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 131 </p>
</div>
</td>
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</td>
<td><br>
</td>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">14</p>
</div>
</td>
<td><br>
</td>
<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO132 </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 132 </p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">16</p>
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<td><br>
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<td>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO133 </p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 133 </p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">2</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO300 </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 300 </p>
</div>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">17</p>
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</td>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO301 </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 301 </p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">16</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO302 </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 302 </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">17</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO303 </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 303 </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">17</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO304 </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 304 </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">10</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">T/LO800 </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">LAW OFFICE 800 </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">13</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">T/LP </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">LEGAL POLICY OFFICE </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-1</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ken Boone</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">PS - UDUPA VAISHALI is still shown as
COMMISSIONER FOR PATENTS. </p>
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