<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>My team and I constantly remind each other to refer to the other party in a TM/(c) dispute as a "counterpart," and their counsel as the "counterpart's counsel," which then reminds us that we are not combatants.</div><div><br></div><div>Language is important and being conscious about it helps me frame things properly, which is also important. </div><div><br></div><div>Have a lovely long holiday weekend, list friends.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers!</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div>Lara Pearson, Esq.</div><div>Law Office of Lara Pearson Ltd, PBC & Brand Geek</div><div>775.833.1600</div><div>Calendly.com/BrandGeek (let's meet)</div><div><div><br></div><div><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Creative typoing by iPhone</span></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Feb 14, 2025, at 12:34\u202fPM, Sam Castree via E-trademarks <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">\ufeff<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-size:16px;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif">Agreed. I've told many a client that, while I'd be happy to get involved in things, it can really change the dynamic when suddenly the lawyers get brought in. Coaching from the shadows is often the way to go.<div><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma;font-size:medium"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="font-size:16px">Cheers,</span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma;font-size:medium"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="font-size:16px"> </span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma;font-size:medium"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0);font-size:12pt">Sam<span> Castree, III</span></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma;font-size:medium"><span style="font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0);font-size:12pt"><br></span></span></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:medium"><font face="times new roman, serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0);font-size:12pt"><span><i>Sam Castree Law, LLC</i></span></span></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="times new roman, serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)"><span><span style="font-size:12pt"><i>3421 W. Elm St.</i></span></span></span></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="times new roman, serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)"><span><span style="font-size:12pt"><i>McHenry, IL 60050</i></span></span></span></font></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="times new roman, serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,102,0)"><span><span style="font-size:12pt"><i>(815) 344-6300</i></span></span></span></font></div></div></div></div></span></span></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 14, 2025 at 2:29\u202fPM Cumbow, Bob via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>So glad to see that so many of my colleagues agree with what I've learned during my time as an attorney: We always get a better 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This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>Cc: Eric Morton <<a href="mailto:emorton@clearskylaw.com" target="_blank">emorton@clearskylaw.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [E-trademarks] Dirt Candy TM Dispute<br><br>[EXTERNAL MESSAGE: This email originated from outside of the firm. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.]<br><br>I heartily concur. I tell my clients to talk to me before they negotiate and after they negotiate, but leave the lawyers out of the negotiations.<br><br>--<br>Eric D. Morton<br>Attorney<br>Clear Sky Law Group, P.C.<br>1300 Clay St., Ste. 600, Oakland, CA 94612<br>P: (510) 556-0367 / (760) 722-6582<br>F: (510) 751-4598<br><a href="mailto:emorton@clearskylaw.com" target="_blank">emorton@clearskylaw.com</a><br><a href="http://www.clearskylaw.com" target="_blank">http://www.clearskylaw.com</a><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> On Behalf Of Carl Oppedahl via E-trademarks<br>Sent: Friday, February 14, 2025 11:29 AM<br>To: For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>Cc: Carl Oppedahl <<a href="mailto:carl@oppedahl.com" target="_blank">carl@oppedahl.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [E-trademarks] Dirt Candy TM Dispute<br><br> Over the span of many years, I have seen many situations where the step of getting lawyers into the situation made things far worse instead of better. Many times my suspicion is that most of the blame would lie with one of the lawyers and not the other. That the blameworthy lawyer would either consciously or subconsciously select the behavior path that would make the most money for the lawyer, regardless of whether this would align with the interests of that lawyer's client.<br><br>There are many times where I ended up coaching my client about stuff, and then I suggested my client speak person-to-person with the nonlawyer human being on the other side. And the clients would come back with a deal sketched onto a cocktail napkin. The lawyers were then told "make it so".<br><br>And even then I can think of many times where once again the introduction of the lawyers into the situation, post-cocktail-napkin, ruined everything. And again I would have the suspicion that most of the blame would lie with one of the lawyers.<br><br>Early in my law career some very seasoned lawyer tried to explain to me what the phrase "attorney and counselor-at-law" might mean in a better world. That the service provider ought to be a counselor as well as (or sometimes instead of) being an aggressor.<br><br>On 2/14/2025 11:50 AM, Pamela Chestek via E-trademarks wrote:<br>><br>> On 2/14/2025 10:23 AM, Miriam Richter, Esq. via E-trademarks wrote:<br>>> one month to rebrand is unrealistic in the best situation and use of <br>>> the term \u201cunlawful violation\u201d in a \u201csupportive\u201d C&D is not conducive <br>>> to warm and fuzzy feelings<br>> Hear, hear. The client asked for a "nice" cease and desist letter and <br>> this sounds anything but nice to me.<br>><br>> Pam<br>><br>> Pamela S. 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