<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">About a month ago, when online Tm payment was down for 2+ days, just before a due date, I updated my<div>review of TMEP for alternative filing. I also sometimes copy (print to pdf, Mac) an application\u2014this case just </div><div>before seeking to pay since system had been hanging there on me. Current TMEP for alternative filing sans petition </div><div>will accept the PTO .docx form (Priority Mail was Express) coupled with the fax credit card authorization.</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: medium; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><a href="https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/apply/forms-submit-only-if-teas-online-forms-are-unavailable" style="color: rgb(150, 96, 125);"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/apply/forms-submit-only-if-teas-online-forms-are-unavailable</span></a><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">>. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: medium; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: medium; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><www.uspto.gov/sites/default/files/documents/PTO-2038.pdf> or<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: medium; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Fee Transmittal (PTO/SB/17), <www.uspto.gov/sites/default/files/documents/sb0017.pdf> </span><span style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in; font-size: medium; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Certain application fees must be paid on the same date as the filing of an application. Failure to pay these fees on the same date as the filing of an application will result in a surcharge for late payment.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><br><div>
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Feb 20, 2025, at 11:55\u202fAM, Kevin Grierson via E-trademarks <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">Hi Annette,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">Do you mean that you save it in some form that you can use for a filing, or that you print it out and save it? I\u2019m not aware of any way to download an application in the new TM Center.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">Kevin<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width: 797px; border-collapse: collapse;"><tbody><tr><td style="padding: 0in;"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width: 797px; border-collapse: collapse;"><tbody><tr><td style="padding: 7.5pt 0in 0in;"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width: 797px; 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font-family: "Calibri (Body)", serif; color: gray;"> <a href="mailto:kgrierson@cm.law" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: gray; text-decoration: none;">kgrierson@cm.law</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr><td valign="top" style="padding: 0in;"><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse: collapse;"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style="margin: 0in;"><b><i><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Calibri (Body)", serif; color: gray;"><a href="https://www.cm.law/cm-law-formerly-culhane-meadows-launches-second-decade-with-fresh-name-and-modern-brand/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="color: rgb(15, 23, 46); text-decoration: none;">Please note: Culhane Meadows is now CM Law</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></i></b></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr><td valign="top" style="padding: 0in;"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor; border-image: none; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Annette Heller via E-trademarks<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, February 19, 2025 7:10 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Annette Heller <<a href="mailto:tmattorneyheller@aol.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">tmattorneyheller@aol.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [E-trademarks] Duplicating applications in the new Trademark Center<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td style="padding: 0.75pt;"><div style="border: 3pt solid red; padding: 0in;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; text-align: center; line-height: 12pt; background: red;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: white;">EXTERNAL EMAIL<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">I always save the draft copy to my client's file on my computer before moving on to pay for the application.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Annette P. Heller<br>Trademark/Copyright Attorney<br>TM Law & Associates<br>400 Chesterfield Center Ste 400<br>Chesterfield [St Louis] MO 63017<br><br></span><a href="http://www.trademarkatty.com/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">www.TrademarkAtty.com</span></a><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><br><br>314-469-2610 Fax 314-469-4850</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">In a message dated 2/19/2025 6:07:38 PM Central Standard Time,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>writes:<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"> <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><blockquote style="border-width: medium medium medium 1.5pt; border-style: none none none solid; border-color: currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor blue; border-image: none; padding: 0in 0in 0in 4pt; margin-left: 3.75pt; margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div id="yiv5355930873"><div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: Georgia, serif;">I always print a hard copy before I send it, just in case...<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div id="yiv5355930873yqt18615"><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;">On Wed, Feb 19, 2025 at 10:34<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">\u202f</span>AM Keller, Scott via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-width: medium medium medium 1pt; border-style: none none none solid; border-color: currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204, 204, 204); border-image: none; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;"><div><div><div><p class="yiv5355930873msonormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Sans sans-serif", serif;">Is there a way to duplicate an application in the USPTO Trademark Center after it has been filed? The only links I see are to TSDR and all of \u201cdrafts\u201d in \u201cMy Drafts\u201d are blank even though each application I prepare gets \u201csaved\u201d to drafts after each step. Then they are gone after they are filed.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="yiv5355930873msonormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span style="font-family: "Sans sans-serif", serif;"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="3" cellpadding="0" width="100%" style="width: 729.28125px;"><tbody><tr><td width="46" valign="top" style="width: 34.5pt; padding: 0.75pt;"><p class="yiv5355930873msonormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><span id="cid:image005.jpg@01DB838E.4F2B8B10"><image005.jpg></span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width="100%" valign="top" style="width: 676.296875px; padding: 0.75pt;"><p class="yiv5355930873msonormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Aptos, sans-serif;"><strong><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">R. 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