<div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">By no means exhaustive or scientific, but a quick glance at the results of a quick search of live federal trademark registrations, based on use in commerce, including the words "licensing of intellectual property" (such as that below), seems to suggest many of these registrations cover only services in one class (rather than one class for the non-licensing services and another for licensing). That's not quite the same thing as saying those marks aren't also registered in connection with non-licensing services, but it looks like a lot of them probably aren't. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">(IC:045 OR IC:042) and GS:"licensing of intellectual property" AND RN:* AND LD:true AND CB:1a</div></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></span></div><div><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Sincerely,</font></div><div><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><br></font></div><div><div style="font-size:small"><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Ed Timberlake </font></div><div style="font-size:small"><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><i><a href="https://www.nclawspecialists.gov/for-the-public/find-a-board-certified-specialist/results/detail/?id=29473" target="_blank">Board Certified Specialist in Trademark Law</a></i></font></div><div style="font-size:small"><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><br></font></div><div style="font-size:small"><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><a href="http://timberlakelaw.com/" target="_blank"><b>Timberlake Law</b></a></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif">Chapel Hill, NC<br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><a href="https://clarity.fm/edtimberlake" target="_blank">Schedule a call on Clarity</a><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><a href="mailto:ed@timberlakelaw.com" target="_blank">ed@timberlakelaw.com</a><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif">919.960.1950<br></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><img width="96" height="96" src="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4zUm0zjuSoSf91b85RXakFjrbAqMcNkJek2_S8VO9eHNz9mDAX5u3RBN0aEhVODltVLqRN-NYsDzt7A"><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 5:37\u202fPM Gerry J. Elman via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Date: 2/25/25 3:43 PM (GMT-06:00) </div>
<div>To: "For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice." <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
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<div>Subject: Re: [E-trademarks] Licensing of Intellectual Property Rights? </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,78,121)">If your client uses its mark for X services, and also licenses its mark to others so that those others can provide X services (not a franchise), do you include in an application for the mark:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u><span style="color:rgb(31,78,121)">X services; AND<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u><span style="color:rgb(31,78,121)">(Class 45) Licensing of intellectual property<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,78,121)">or only \u201cX services\u201d?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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