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<div dir="auto">In the ancient past, the USPTO deemed licensing of IP to include licensing of the Applicant's IP to others. Then the wind shifted, and the USPTO took the position that the "service" of IP licensing includes only doing it for another company's
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<div>From: Edward Timberlake via E-trademarks <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com> </div>
<div>Date: 2/25/25 3:43 PM (GMT-06:00) </div>
<div>To: "For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice." <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com>
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<div>Cc: Edward Timberlake <ed@timberlakelaw.com> </div>
<div>Subject: Re: [E-trademarks] Licensing of Intellectual Property Rights? </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia,serif; font-size:small">Maybe TMEP <span style="white-space:unset">1301.01(a) - Criteria for Determining What Constitutes a Service would have some helpful language?</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 4:26\u202fPM Montgomery, Alexander P. via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,78,121)">Question for the brain trust:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,78,121)">If your client uses its mark for X services, and also licenses its mark to others so that those others can provide X services (not a franchise), do you include in an application for the mark:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="m_1852919014043291477MsoListParagraph"><u></u><span style="font-family:Symbol; color:rgb(31,78,121)"><span>·<span style="font:7pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><u></u><span style="color:rgb(31,78,121)">X services; AND<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u><span style="color:rgb(31,78,121)">(Class 45) Licensing of intellectual property<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,78,121)">or only \u201cX services\u201d?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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