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<b>Cc:</b> Edward Timberlake <ed@timberlakelaw.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Licensing of Intellectual Property Rights?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">By no means exhaustive or scientific, but a quick glance at the results of a quick search of live federal trademark registrations, based on use in commerce, including the words "licensing of intellectual
property" (such as that below), seems to suggest many of these registrations cover only services in one class (rather than one class for the non-licensing services and another for licensing). That's not quite the same thing as saying those marks aren't also
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 4:26<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span>PM Montgomery, Alexander P. via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F4E79">If your client uses its mark for X services, and also licenses its mark to others so that those others can provide X services (not a franchise), do you
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</span><span style="color:#1F4E79">X services; AND</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="color:#1F4E79">(Class 45) Licensing of intellectual property</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F4E79">or only \u201cX services\u201d?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a href="http://www.hinckleyallen.com/people/alexander-p-montgomery" target="_blank"><b><span style="font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#777779;text-decoration:none">Alexander
P. Montgomery</span></b><span style="color:#777779;text-decoration:none"> </span>
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</span><a href="mailto:amontgomery@hinckleyallen.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#777779;text-decoration:none">amontgomery@hinckleyallen.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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