<div dir="ltr"><div>It happens! It's common enough that it's specifically addressed in the TMEP under TMEP §1402.04 - Acceptable Identification of Goods and Services Manual</div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div>"Although the ID Manual includes entries that are acceptable as written, the examining attorney may require an amendment to an otherwise definite identification in certain circumstances. See, e.g., TMEP §§1203.02(e)(ii) and 1401.07." </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The cited TMEP sections are 1401.07- Specimen Discloses Special Characteristics and 1203.02(e)(ii) - When It is Not Clear Whether the Mark is Misdescriptive. <br><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><br><div><table width="450" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="font-family:Garamond,sans-serif;width:450px"><tbody><tr style="font-family:Garamond,Arimo,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><td width="450"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td width="140" valign="middle"><a href="https://www.catalyticlaw.com/" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:none!important" target="_blank"><img border="0" width="120" height="123" src="https://designexpert44.com/signature/apr23/rachaeldickson/logo.png" alt="logo"></a></td><td width="310" style="padding-left:15px;border-left:2px solid rgb(23,59,112)"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td width="310" style="line-height:14pt;padding-bottom:5px"><p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:Garamond,sans-serif;font-size:14pt;color:rgb(23,59,112);font-weight:bold">Rachael Dickson </span><span style="font-family:Garamond,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(23,59,112)">(she/her)</span></p><p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:Garamond,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(32,32,32)">Trademark Attorney | <b>Catalytic Law</b></span></p></td></tr><tr><td width="310" style="line-height:14pt"><p style="margin:0px"><img border="0" width="13" height="13" src="https://designexpert44.com/signature/apr23/rachaeldickson/cell.png" alt="cell" style="border:0px;vertical-align:middle"> <a href="tel:7038317340" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:Garamond,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(32,32,32);border:none!important" target="_blank">(703) 831-7340</a></p><p style="margin:0px"><img border="0" width="13" height="10" src="https://designexpert44.com/signature/apr23/rachaeldickson/email.png" alt="email" style="border:0px;vertical-align:middle"> <a href="mailto:Rachael@CatalyticLaw.com" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:Garamond,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(32,32,32);border:none!important" target="_blank">Rachael@CatalyticLaw.com</a></p><p style="margin:0px"><img border="0" width="13" height="13" src="https://designexpert44.com/signature/apr23/rachaeldickson/website.png" alt="website" style="border:0px;vertical-align:middle"> <a href="https://www.catalyticlaw.com/" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:Garamond,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(32,32,32);border:none!important" target="_blank">www.catalyticlaw.com</a></p></td></tr><tr><td width="310" style="padding-top:7px;line-height:1pt"><a href="https://twitter.com/TudorsAndTMs" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:none!important" target="_blank"><img border="0" width="20" height="20" src="https://designexpert44.com/signature/apr23/rachaeldickson/twitter.png" alt="twitter"></a> <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/rachaeldickson/" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:none!important" target="_blank"><img border="0" width="20" height="20" src="https://designexpert44.com/signature/apr23/rachaeldickson/linkedin.png" alt="linkedin"></a> <a href="https://www.instagram.com/tudorsandtms/" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:none!important" target="_blank"><img border="0" width="20" height="20" src="https://designexpert44.com/signature/apr23/rachaeldickson/instagram.png" alt="instagram"></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div><br></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 12:34\u202fPM Bosland Law via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Listmates,</span><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"> Nothing to fix here; we got it worked out, but I'm just wondering how common this is.</span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"> My EA was perfectly sweet about the whole thing, but the suggested change to the IDM description was not in the variable part, it was in the stock IDM part. Ultimately I was allowed to skip the requested change to the language if it made me more comfortable. Yes, it makes me more comfortable. The USPTO itself considers these to be "<a href="https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/basics/goods-and-services" target="_blank">pre-approved descriptions</a>" of goods/services.</span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"> As my professors on this list will attest "leaving well enough alone" is a gift David has yet to receive.</span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"> How common is this?</span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">db</span></div></div>
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