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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I am currently dealing with an OA where it\u2019s been asserted that the stock description \u201cproviding information about\u201d is indefinite and/or overly broad, when the IDM lists plenty of stock descriptions that start
that way, including in fields related to my client\u2019s. Glad to know that the EA allows you to keep the ID as written.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com> on behalf of Bosland Law via E-trademarks <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, April 4, 2025 at 12:35</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">\u202f</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">PM<br>
<b>To: </b>For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Bosland Law <office@bosland.law><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [E-trademarks] OA requiring change to the stock IDM description?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Ah, very interesting. In fact that was the only thing I could think of; there's something else in the application or the variable part of the stock description that required a modification to the stock part
of the description... but not in this case. Quite straight forward and clear application for a service mark. In this case the one word was called out as "indefinite and/or overly broad" without reference to any other aspects of the description or the rest
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Good to know that there are reasons this could happen; I'll be less positive with my clients about the certainty of these IDM descriptions going forward.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 9:46</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">AM Rachael Dickson via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">It happens! It's common enough that it's specifically addressed in the TMEP under TMEP §1402.04 - Acceptable Identification of Goods and Services Manual<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The cited TMEP sections are 1401.07- Specimen Discloses Special Characteristics and 1203.02(e)(ii) - When It is Not Clear Whether the Mark is Misdescriptive. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 12:34</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">PM Bosland Law via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmaildefault"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> Nothing to fix here; we got it worked out, but I'm just wondering how common this is.</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmaildefault"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> My EA was perfectly sweet about the whole thing, but the suggested change to the IDM description was not in the variable part, it was in the stock IDM part. Ultimately I was
allowed to skip the requested change to the language if it made me more comfortable. Yes, it makes me more comfortable. The USPTO itself considers these to be "<a href="https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/basics/goods-and-services" target="_blank">pre-approved
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmaildefault"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> As my professors on this list will attest "leaving well enough alone" is a gift David has yet to receive.</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmaildefault"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> How common is this?</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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