<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Ah, very interesting. In fact that was the only thing I could think of; there's something else in the application or the variable part of the stock description that required a modification to the stock part of the description... but not in this case. Quite straight forward and clear application for a service mark. In this case the one word was called out as "indefinite and/or overly broad" without reference to any other aspects of the description or the rest of the application.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Good to know that there are reasons this could happen; I'll be less positive with my clients about the certainty of these IDM descriptions going forward.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">db</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 9:46\u202fAM Rachael Dickson via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>It happens! It's common enough that it's specifically addressed in the TMEP under TMEP §1402.04 - Acceptable Identification of Goods and Services Manual</div><div><br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div>"Although the ID Manual includes entries that are acceptable as written, the examining attorney may require an amendment to an otherwise definite identification in certain circumstances. See, e.g., TMEP §§1203.02(e)(ii) and 1401.07." </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The cited TMEP sections are 1401.07- Specimen Discloses Special Characteristics and 1203.02(e)(ii) - When It is Not Clear Whether the Mark is Misdescriptive. <br><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><br><div><table width="450" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="font-family:Garamond,sans-serif;width:450px"><tbody><tr style="font-family:Garamond,Arimo,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><td width="450"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td width="140" valign="middle"><a href="https://www.catalyticlaw.com/" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:none" target="_blank"><img border="0" width="120" height="123" src="https://designexpert44.com/signature/apr23/rachaeldickson/logo.png" alt="logo"></a></td><td width="310" style="padding-left:15px;border-left:2px solid rgb(23,59,112)"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td width="310" style="line-height:14pt;padding-bottom:5px"><p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:Garamond,sans-serif;font-size:14pt;color:rgb(23,59,112);font-weight:bold">Rachael Dickson </span><span style="font-family:Garamond,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(23,59,112)">(she/her)</span></p><p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:Garamond,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(32,32,32)">Trademark Attorney | <b>Catalytic Law</b></span></p></td></tr><tr><td width="310" style="line-height:14pt"><p style="margin:0px"><img border="0" width="13" height="13" src="https://designexpert44.com/signature/apr23/rachaeldickson/cell.png" alt="cell" style="border: 0px; vertical-align: middle;"> <a href="tel:7038317340" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:Garamond,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(32,32,32);border:none" target="_blank">(703) 831-7340</a></p><p style="margin:0px"><img border="0" width="13" height="10" src="https://designexpert44.com/signature/apr23/rachaeldickson/email.png" alt="email" style="border: 0px; vertical-align: middle;"> <a href="mailto:Rachael@CatalyticLaw.com" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:Garamond,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(32,32,32);border:none" target="_blank">Rachael@CatalyticLaw.com</a></p><p style="margin:0px"><img border="0" width="13" height="13" src="https://designexpert44.com/signature/apr23/rachaeldickson/website.png" alt="website" style="border: 0px; vertical-align: middle;"> <a href="https://www.catalyticlaw.com/" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:Garamond,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(32,32,32);border:none" target="_blank">www.catalyticlaw.com</a></p></td></tr><tr><td width="310" style="padding-top:7px;line-height:1pt"><a href="https://twitter.com/TudorsAndTMs" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:none" target="_blank"><img border="0" width="20" height="20" src="https://designexpert44.com/signature/apr23/rachaeldickson/twitter.png" alt="twitter"></a> <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/rachaeldickson/" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:none" target="_blank"><img border="0" width="20" height="20" src="https://designexpert44.com/signature/apr23/rachaeldickson/linkedin.png" alt="linkedin"></a> <a href="https://www.instagram.com/tudorsandtms/" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:none" target="_blank"><img border="0" width="20" height="20" src="https://designexpert44.com/signature/apr23/rachaeldickson/instagram.png" alt="instagram"></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div><br></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 12:34\u202fPM Bosland Law via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Listmates,</span><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"> Nothing to fix here; we got it worked out, but I'm just wondering how common this is.</span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"> My EA was perfectly sweet about the whole thing, but the suggested change to the IDM description was not in the variable part, it was in the stock IDM part. Ultimately I was allowed to skip the requested change to the language if it made me more comfortable. Yes, it makes me more comfortable. The USPTO itself considers these to be "<a href="https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/basics/goods-and-services" target="_blank">pre-approved descriptions</a>" of goods/services.</span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"> As my professors on this list will attest "leaving well enough alone" is a gift David has yet to receive.</span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"> How common is this?</span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">db</span></div></div>
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