<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Well that seems worth a shot.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">db</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 4:58\u202fPM Scott Landsbaum via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Perhaps we need to be more careful and consistent about using the miscellaneous statement to specify that something is fanciful or an acronym. I did this recently with an unusual English word that seemed like a foreign word and didn't have an issue with it.</div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px">Regards,</span><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="color:rgb(102,102,204)"><font color="#000000">Scott</font></span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="color:rgb(102,102,204)"><font color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="color:rgb(102,102,204);font-size:12.7273px">Scott Landsbaum, Inc.</span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="color:rgb(102,102,204)"><a href="tel:323-314-7881" value="+13233147881" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">323-314-7881</a> / f 323-714-2454 </span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="color:rgb(102,102,204)">8306 Wilshire Blvd., Suite 420, Beverly Hills, CA 90211</span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px;color:rgb(102,102,204)"><a href="http://www.scottlandsbaum.com/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">www.scottlandsbaum.com</a> / </span><font color="#6666cc"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottlandsbaum/" target="_blank">www.linkedin.com/in/scottlandsbaum/</a></font><br><br style="color:rgb(102,102,204)"><font size="1" style="color:rgb(102,102,204)">NOTICE: This e-mail is intended solely for the individual or individuals to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential attorney-client privileged information and attorney work product. 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First thing that pops into my addled Friday brain is a fictional acronym mark S.O.C.K.S and then getting busted for "eso sí que es."</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">db</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 12:21\u202fPM Rachael Dickson via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Oh that is so, so frustrating! Unfortunately, I think it would be hard to argue against it, as this exact issue is specifically addressed in the comments on the trademark fee adjustment rule change in the federal register. </div><div><br></div><div><div><a href="https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/11/18/2024-26644/setting-and-adjusting-trademark-fees-during-fiscal-year-2025" target="_blank">https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/11/18/2024-26644/setting-and-adjusting-trademark-fees-during-fiscal-year-2025</a></div><div><br></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div>"<em>Comment 40:</em>
One commenter suggested that the USPTO consider whether the insufficient information fee is appropriate in instances where an applicant makes a good-faith effort to supply required information, such as when they have no knowledge of a term's non-English meaning.<br><br></div><em>Response:</em>
Requiring the fee is appropriate in the situation described in the comment because §\u20092.32(a)(9) requires an applicant to research a mark that is comprised of or includes non-English wording to determine whether there is a transliteration or translation of the wording. If there is, and the applicant omits the translation or transliteration, the examining attorney will issue an Office action requiring the insufficient information surcharge and submission of the translation and/or transliteration, as appropriate. If the initial application includes a translation or transliteration, the surcharge will not apply for later amendment of the translation or transliteration. The surcharge will apply if the translation or transliteration comprises or contains inappropriate material."<br><br></blockquote>Based on this comment, I would conclude that best practice from here on out would be to search every fanciful or coined word to check for possible non-English translations, and if there are any, include one of those in the application itself. Since a surcharge will not be applied for later amendment of the translation, that should hopefully satisfy the USPTO on this subject. However, the note in the comment about the surcharge applying if the translation contains "inappropriate" material, without any definition of inappropriate is....concerning.<div><br></div><div>This whole policy is just so incredibly aggravating and ill-thought out.<div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><br><div><table width="450" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="font-family:Garamond,sans-serif;width:450px"><tbody><tr style="font-family:Garamond,Arimo,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif"><td width="450"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td width="140" valign="middle"><a href="https://www.catalyticlaw.com/" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:none" target="_blank"><img border="0" width="120" height="123" src="https://designexpert44.com/signature/apr23/rachaeldickson/logo.png" alt="logo"></a></td><td width="310" style="padding-left:15px;border-left:2px solid rgb(23,59,112)"><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td width="310" style="line-height:14pt;padding-bottom:5px"><p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:Garamond,sans-serif;font-size:14pt;color:rgb(23,59,112);font-weight:bold">Rachael Dickson </span><span style="font-family:Garamond,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(23,59,112)">(she/her)</span></p><p style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:Garamond,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(32,32,32)">Trademark Attorney | <b>Catalytic Law</b></span></p></td></tr><tr><td width="310" style="line-height:14pt"><p style="margin:0px"><img border="0" width="13" height="13" src="https://designexpert44.com/signature/apr23/rachaeldickson/cell.png" alt="cell" style="border: 0px; vertical-align: middle;"> <a href="tel:7038317340" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:Garamond,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(32,32,32);border:none" target="_blank">(703) 831-7340</a></p><p style="margin:0px"><img border="0" width="13" height="10" src="https://designexpert44.com/signature/apr23/rachaeldickson/email.png" alt="email" style="border: 0px; vertical-align: middle;"> <a href="mailto:Rachael@CatalyticLaw.com" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:Garamond,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(32,32,32);border:none" target="_blank">Rachael@CatalyticLaw.com</a></p><p style="margin:0px"><img border="0" width="13" height="13" src="https://designexpert44.com/signature/apr23/rachaeldickson/website.png" alt="website" style="border: 0px; vertical-align: middle;"> <a href="https://www.catalyticlaw.com/" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:Garamond,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:rgb(32,32,32);border:none" target="_blank">www.catalyticlaw.com</a></p></td></tr><tr><td width="310" style="padding-top:7px;line-height:1pt"><a href="https://twitter.com/TudorsAndTMs" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:none" target="_blank"><img border="0" width="20" height="20" src="https://designexpert44.com/signature/apr23/rachaeldickson/twitter.png" alt="twitter"></a> <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/rachaeldickson/" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:none" target="_blank"><img border="0" width="20" height="20" src="https://designexpert44.com/signature/apr23/rachaeldickson/linkedin.png" alt="linkedin"></a> <a href="https://www.instagram.com/tudorsandtms/" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:none" target="_blank"><img border="0" width="20" height="20" src="https://designexpert44.com/signature/apr23/rachaeldickson/instagram.png" alt="instagram"></a></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div><br></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 3:08\u202fPM Montgomery, Alexander P. via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,78,121)">Just had my first experience with a \u201cinsufficient information\u201d fee.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,78,121)">In this case, the EA determined that our client\u2019s mark has a meaning in a foreign language. The problem \u2013 that\u2019s not the meaning. Rather,
it\u2019s an acronym based on several words that make up a slogan. The client had no idea there was a non-English meaning. Yet they\u2019re penalized with a $100/class fee.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,78,121)">Has anyone ever gotten around that fee in similar circumstances?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,78,121)">Or must we now conduct searches prior to filing to determine if every acronym or fanciful word we file might have a non-English meaning
to avoid this fee?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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