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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Ted,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I, at least, and assume the others, meant a breach of contract claim in state or federal court, not before the USPTO. Could the court not issue an injunction requiring the registrant
to surrender the registration, or assign it to the Licensor?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Davis, Ted via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 12, 2025 4:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Davis, Ted <TDavis@ktslaw.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Ownership of trademark registration question between a Creator and a Licensee<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-line-height-alt:.75pt"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">Once a registration has passed its fifth anniversary, contract-based attacks on it are likely of limited utility. See, e.</span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:white">\u200a</span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">g.</span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:white">\u200a</span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">,
Bose Corp. v. Lightspeed Aviation, Inc.</span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:white">\u200a</span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">, 691 F. Supp. 2d 275 (D. Mass. 2010) (dismissing counterclaim for cancellation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> Once a registration has passed its fifth anniversary, contract-based attacks on it are likely of limited utility.
<i>See, e.g.</i>, <i>Bose Corp. v. Lightspeed Aviation, Inc</i>., 691 F. Supp. 2d 275 (D. Mass. 2010) (dismissing counterclaim for cancellation of registration covering incontestable mark grounded in counterclaim defendant\u2019s alleged breach of contract with
counterclaim plaintiff). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nancy Prager via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 12, 2025 2:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Nancy Prager <<a href="mailto:nancyprager@yahoo.com">nancyprager@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Ownership of trademark registration question between a Creator and a Licensee<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-line-height-alt:.75pt"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">Ugh! This is a nightmare scenario for any licensor. But to Scott Landsbaum point, wouldn't this be a breach of contract matter? Significantly, has the creator mentioned
this to the licensee? On Thursday, June 12, 2025 at 02:</span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:white">\u200a</span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">20:</span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:white">\u200a</span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">30
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Ugh! This is a nightmare scenario for any licensor. But to Scott Landsbaum point, wouldn't this be a breach of contract matter? Significantly, has the creator mentioned this to the licensee?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">My rough review indicates that courts almost always reject the void ab initio doctrine applied to incontestable marks\u2014unless the reason for applying it is one of the statutory bases for defeating incontestability.
See MCCARTHY § 32:148. In the described scenario, I think it's fraud/use to misrepresent source if it's anything (although you could probably try a contract claim, outside of the PTO, to force transfer of the registration's ownership, see<b><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/1.next.westlaw.com/Document/I35834680401511ed8fe08f68f29d3021/View/FullText.html?listSource=Search&navigationPath=Search*2fv1*2fresults*2fnavigation*2fi0a89908700000197655becb592bacd26*3fppcid*3d8da0df17434048dfac920de5ca0c483d*26Nav*3dCASE*26fragmentIdentifier*3dI35834680401511ed8fe08f68f29d3021*26parentRank*3d0*26startIndex*3d1*26contextData*3d*2528sc.Search*2529*26transitionType*3dSearchItem&list=CASE&rank=13&listPageSource=f5b8d18149b97c0c7ad6bb7461d7a748&originationContext=docHeader&contextData=(sc.Search)&transitionType=Document&needToInjectTerms=False&enableBestPortion=True&docSource=ef5396a2ff504732b3b3bfdffe84d2e8&ppcid=626dd8f23c31494cbfcbadd5d574f1d9__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!Nf401RNTQFE14GfWW3o!lPgJ2e-mCfL-xjPEY0jEB5KfSQpka_UPMjU5SxI3-pZ0RjKxztATVWAi9xoUx_BMmc8p0lQnXFE9FMtjEyjNGb2_6p90FcQ$" target="_blank">Sköld
v. Sonoma Pharmaceuticals, Inc.</a> </b>31 F.Supp.3d 248 (E.D. Pa. 2022). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Assuming the license was valid and in force when the application was filed, the registration is probably void<i>ab initio</i>. A licensee \u2014 even an exclusive
licensee -- is not the real or intended trademark owner, since by definition they do not control the nature and quality of the goods or services. Applications filed by anyone other than a real or intended trademark owner are void
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Now, I have seen some cases that go against the void-<i>ab-initio</i> rule in some circumstances, for instance allowing rectification of the register under
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I think that is a risk. Haven\u2019t done research on the ability to cure/purge fraud. </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b><span class="yiv8615223351xapple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, June 12, 2025 12:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="yiv8615223351xapple-converted-space"> </span>For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="yiv8615223351xapple-converted-space"> </span>Crane, Susan <<a href="mailto:susan.crane@wyndham.com" target="_blank">susan.crane@wyndham.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="yiv8615223351xapple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [E-trademarks] Ownership of trademark registration question between a Creator and a Licensee</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">This is interesting. So, Susan, are you saying, because of the fraud, the existing registration is invalid and the fraud cannot be purged? So while the rightful owner is entitled to the priority
date, they must file a new application, which</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">So, Susan, are you saying, because of the fraud, the existing registration is invalid and the fraud cannot be purged?</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">So while the rightful owner is entitled to the priority date, they must file a new application, which will only get the benefit of that new filing date?</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Date:<span class="yiv8615223351xapple-converted-space"> </span></b>Thursday, 12 June 2025 at 11:06</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">\u202f</span><span style="color:#26282A">am<br>
<b>To:<span class="yiv8615223351xapple-converted-space"> </span></b>For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:<span class="yiv8615223351xapple-converted-space"> </span></b>Crane, Susan <<a href="mailto:susan.crane@wyndham.com" target="_blank">susan.crane@wyndham.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:<span class="yiv8615223351xapple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [E-trademarks] Ownership of trademark registration question between a Creator and a Licensee</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>To:</b><span class="yiv8615223351xapple-converted-space"> </span>For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="yiv8615223351xapple-converted-space"> </span>Stephen McArthur <<a href="mailto:stephen@smcarthurlaw.com" target="_blank">stephen@smcarthurlaw.com</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">Could Creator file his own trademark application and when the senior registration is inevitably cited against it in an Office Action, produce the license showing the owner of the senior trademark
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#26282A">Could Creator file his own trademark application and when the senior registration is inevitably cited against it in an Office Action, produce the license showing the owner of the senior trademark is their licensee
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#26282A">On Thu, Jun 12, 2025 at 1:06</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#26282A">\u202f</span><span style="color:#26282A">AM Carl Oppedahl via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#26282A">I think there is a risk the registration is void for fraud. The original applicant/licensee knew it had no rights but attested otherwise in its application. That would be the basis of the cancellation action
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#26282A">Isn't this a contract dispute and not a USPTO issue? Why would the creator want to cancel the registration and lose the priority vs other third parties? Regards, Scott Scott Landsbaum, Inc. 323-314-7881 / f 323-714-2454
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#26282A">Creator enters into a contract with a third-party Seller to manufacture and sell his product bearing a Trademark. The contract clearly sets out that the Trademark is exclusively licensed to Seller, but not assigned
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Creator now decides he wants the trademark registration in his name and for it to be assigned to him. Despite the contract only licensing and not assigning the trademark, Seller refuses to comply with the assignment since 6 years have passed since the trademark
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