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<blockquote type="cite">On Jun 12, 2025, at 12:15\u202fPM, Carl Oppedahl <carl@oppedahl.com> wrote:<br>
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<p>Seems to me that TYFNIL what you do not want is a registration that is vulnerable to attack by an adversary.</p>
<p>Now maybe you can rub a crystal ball and you can predict that the registration won't ever get litigated.</p>
<p>My crystal ball isn't that good.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>This is interesting.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>So, Susan, are you saying, because of the fraud, the existing registration is invalid and the fraud cannot be purged?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>So while the rightful owner is entitled to the priority date, they must file a new application, which will only get the benefit of that new filing date?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>So any intervening applications could create problems?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From: </span></b><span lang="EN-US">E-trademarks
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<b>Date: </b>Thursday, 12 June 2025 at 11:06</span><span lang="EN-US">\u202f</span><span lang="EN-US">am<br>
<b>To: </b>For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [E-trademarks] Ownership of trademark registration question between a Creator and a Licensee</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">No, that will not work. The examiner cannot make those kinds of decisions. You would need to cancel the prior registration to overcome the citation.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">Susan L. Crane</span></b><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Ownership of trademark registration question between a Creator and a Licensee</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Could Creator file his own trademark application and when the senior registration is inevitably cited against it in an Office Action, produce the license showing the owner of the senior trademark is their licensee in
order to overcome the refusal?</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US">What she said!</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">Thank you Susan for posting. Carl</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On 6/11/2025 6:59 PM, Crane, Susan via E-trademarks wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I think there is a risk the registration is void for fraud. The original applicant/licensee knew it had no rights but attested otherwise in its application. That would be the basis of the cancellation action filed by
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Since by contract and licensing law, the creator can claim the original first use date, true priority is not lost. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Isn't this a contract dispute and not a USPTO issue? Why would the creator want to cancel the registration and lose the priority vs other third parties? Regards, Scott Scott Landsbaum, Inc. 323-314-7881 / f 323-714-2454
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Isn't this a contract dispute and not a USPTO issue? Why would the creator want to cancel the registration and lose the priority vs other third parties?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Creator enters into a contract with a third-party Seller to manufacture and sell his product bearing a Trademark. The contract clearly sets out that the Trademark is exclusively licensed to Seller, but not assigned to
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Seller then registers the trademark at the USPTO identifying itself as the owner. Years pass and the trademark is now incontestable. Seller has been making and selling the very successful Product bearing the Trademark
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Creator now decides he wants the trademark registration in his name and for it to be assigned to him. Despite the contract only licensing and not assigning the trademark, Seller refuses to comply with the assignment since 6 years have passed since the trademark
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Could Creator file his own trademark application and when the original registration is cited against it in an Office Action, produce the license showing the owner of the senior trademark is their licensee in order to
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