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<p>Seems to me that TYFNIL what you do not want is a registration
that is vulnerable to attack by an adversary.</p>
<p>Now maybe you can rub a crystal ball and you can predict that the
registration won't ever get litigated.</p>
<p>My crystal ball isn't that good.</p>
<p>Carl<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/12/2025 10:41 AM, Dale Quisenberry
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>This is interesting.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>So, Susan, are you saying, because of
the fraud, the existing registration is invalid and the
fraud cannot be purged?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>So while the rightful owner is
entitled to the priority date, they must file a new
application, which will only get the benefit of that new
filing date?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>So any intervening applications could
create problems?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Dale</span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Thursday, 12 June 2025 at 11:06</span><span
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<b>To: </b>For trademark practitioners. This is not
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<b>Cc: </b>Crane, Susan
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:susan.crane@wyndham.com"><susan.crane@wyndham.com></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [E-trademarks] Ownership of
trademark registration question between a Creator
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">No, that will
not work. The examiner cannot make those kinds of
decisions. You would need to cancel the prior
registration to overcome the citation.</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">Susan L.
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 12, 2025 11:27 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Ownership of
trademark registration question between a Creator
and a Licensee</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Could Creator
file his own trademark application and when the
senior registration is inevitably cited against it
in an Office Action, produce the license showing
the owner of the senior trademark is their
licensee in order to overcome the refusal?</span><span
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<p><span lang="EN-US">What she said!</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US">Thank you Susan for
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I think
there is a risk the registration is void for
fraud. The original applicant/licensee knew
it had no rights but attested otherwise in
its application. That would be the basis of
the cancellation action filed by Creator or
someone else down the line. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Since
by contract and licensing law, the creator
can claim the original first use date,
true priority is not lost. </span></p>
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this a contract dispute and not a
USPTO issue? Why would the creator
want to cancel the registration and
lose the priority vs other third
parties? Regards, Scott Scott
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at 4:37</span><span lang="EN-US">\u202f</span><span
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lang="EN-US">I've got a
hypothetical here that I'd
love some feedback on. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">Creator enters
into a contract with a
third-party Seller to
manufacture and sell
his product bearing a
Trademark. The contract
clearly sets out that the
Trademark is exclusively
licensed to Seller, but not
assigned to it. Creator never
sold the product himself, but
just had some demo versions
that he showed off at
conventions. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">Seller then
registers the trademark at the
USPTO identifying itself as
the owner. Years pass and the
trademark is now
incontestable. Seller has been
making and selling the very
successful Product bearing the
Trademark for years under the
license, and writing monthly
checks to Creator. </span></p>
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Creator now decides he wants
the trademark registration in
his name and for it to be
assigned to him. Despite the
contract only licensing and
not assigning the trademark,
Seller refuses to comply with
the assignment since 6 years
have passed since the
trademark was registered in
Seller's name without Creator
ever saying anything. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">On what basis, if
any, could Creator file a
Cancellation for the
incontestable trademark
registration? </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">Could Creator
file his own trademark
application and when the
original registration is cited
against it in an Office
Action, produce the license
showing the owner of the
senior trademark is their
licensee in order to get
around the refusal? </span></p>
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Thanks in advance for any
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