<div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="font-family:georgia,serif">Personally, I'd be inclined to say that one might be on solid ground arguing that PANTYROSE BOUQUET does not merely describe either the goods or the packaging i</span><font face="georgia, serif">n that a non-zero amount of <span style="white-space:unset">imagination, thought, or perception may be required to deduce what PANTYROSE means in this context (not to mention a BOUQUET of them).</span></font></div></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></span></div><div><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Sincerely,</font></div><div><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><br></font></div><div><div style="font-size:small"><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Ed Timberlake </font></div><div style="font-size:small"><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><i><a href="https://www.nclawspecialists.gov/for-lawyers/certification-standard-summaries/trademark-law/" target="_blank">Board Certified Specialist in Trademark Law</a></i></font></div><div style="font-size:small"><font face="georgia, serif" size="2"><br></font></div><div style="font-size:small"><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><a href="http://timberlakelaw.com/" target="_blank"><b>Timberlake Law</b></a></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif">Chapel Hill, NC<br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><a href="https://clarity.fm/edtimberlake" target="_blank">Schedule a call on Clarity</a><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif"><a href="mailto:ed@timberlakelaw.com" target="_blank">ed@timberlakelaw.com</a><br></div><div style="font-family:georgia,serif">919.960.1950<br></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><img width="96" height="96" src="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4zUm0zjuSoSf91b85RXakFjrbAqMcNkJek2_S8VO9eHNz9mDAX5u3RBN0aEhVODltVLqRN-NYsDzt7A"><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 17, 2025 at 7:22\u202fPM Scott Landsbaum via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Have you googled the examiner to see how in/experienced s/he may be?</div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px">Regards,</span><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="color:rgb(102,102,204)"><font color="#000000">Scott</font></span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="color:rgb(102,102,204);font-size:12.7273px">Scott Landsbaum, Inc.</span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="color:rgb(102,102,204)"><a href="tel:323-314-7881" value="+13233147881" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">323-314-7881</a> / f 323-714-2454 </span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="color:rgb(102,102,204)">8306 Wilshire Blvd., Suite 420, Beverly Hills, CA 90211</span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px;color:rgb(102,102,204)"><a href="http://www.scottlandsbaum.com/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">www.scottlandsbaum.com</a> / </span><font color="#6666cc"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottlandsbaum/" target="_blank">www.linkedin.com/in/scottlandsbaum/</a></font><br><br style="color:rgb(102,102,204)"><font size="1" style="color:rgb(102,102,204)">NOTICE: This e-mail is intended solely for the individual or individuals to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential attorney-client privileged information and attorney work product. 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Friedman via E-trademarks <<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(22,62,100)">Client sells lingerie, each item of which is cleverly packaged to resemble a rose on a stem, under the
mark PANTYROSE BOUQUET. There is no such thing as a PANTYROSE and the word BOUQUET does not describe lingerie. But the examiner has rejected the application, saying,
</span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(22,62,100)">\u201cThese words merely describe applicant\u2019s lingerie in that they are underpants for women packaged decoratively to resemble
a medley of roses, but is [sic] instead a medley of lingerie.[?] Moreover, applicant\u2019s specimen clearly shows that its lingerie is packaged
</span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(22,62,100)">to resemble a bouquet of roses.\u201d
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<b><i>goods or services </i></b>(and the examiner actually cites this rule).<b><i>
</i></b>Is there some rule that I have just never heard of that says that a mark is descriptive if it describes a product\u2019s creative
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