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    That doesn't trouble me too much. You are likely to buy multiples to
    create a bouquet (that's the suggestion in the trademark itself). It
    is a bit hard to pin to a doctrine, but if the trademark is
    registered, won't it prevent anyone else from being able to use the
    same idea for packaging? What else would you call a single item
    packaged that way, or a collection of the items? I see a slew of
    cease and desist letters sent for the descriptive use by
    competitors.<br>
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    Pam<br>
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    <div class="moz-signature">Pamela S. Chestek<br>
      Chestek Legal<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/18/2025 9:50 AM, Jessica R.
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          Pam, even though each package is a single \u201crose\u201d and the
          client does not sell packages of multiple items of lingerie?
           I do not think a single rose constitutes a bouquet.</div>
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        <div style="direction: ltr;">Jessica R. Friedman</div>
        <div style="direction: ltr;">Attorney at Law</div>
        <div style="direction: ltr;">(917) 647-1884</div>
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          E-trademarks <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">&lt;e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com&gt;</a>
          on behalf of Pamela Chestek via E-trademarks
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          <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 18, 2025 5:43:34 PM<br>
          <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>
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          <b>Cc:</b> Pamela Chestek <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pamela@chesteklegal.com">&lt;pamela@chesteklegal.com&gt;</a><br>
          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] descriptiveness objection
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      <div>I often disagree with Ed, but it usually goes the other way
        around - he supports the decision of the Office and I do not.<br>
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        In this case I think this is a perfectly reasonable
        descriptiveness refusal. I don't suppose your objection is that
        the refusal is only ascertainable by looking at the specimen - I
        expect that is why an SOU goes back to the examining attorney,
        for a second look. It would be very easy to game the system on
        descriptiveness if you could file an application and never
        disclose how the mark is used in context.<br>
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        I also think that the fact that the item is packaged to appear
        as a rose on a stem is a characteristic or feature of the
        product and therefore the refusal is appropriate. The panties
        are packaged that way that represents roses and the intention is
        that one use them in ways that one would traditionally use
        roses. I would consider this a feature of the product.<br>
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        Pam<br>
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        <div class="x_moz-signature">Pamela S. Chestek<br>
          Chestek Legal<br>
          PLEASE NOTE OUR NEW MAILING ADDRESS<br>
          4641 Post St.<br>
          Unit 4316<br>
          El Dorado Hills, CA 95762<br>
          +1 919-800-8033<br>
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                  inclined to say that one might be on solid ground
                  arguing that PANTYROSE BOUQUET does not merely
                  describe either the goods or the packaging i</span><font
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                    perception may be required to deduce what PANTYROSE
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              7:22\u202fPM Scott Landsbaum via E-trademarks &lt;<a
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                <div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 17, 2025
                  at 3:34\u202fPM Jessica R. Friedman via E-trademarks &lt;<a
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                            style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;
                            color:rgb(22,62,100)">Client sells lingerie,
                            each item of which is cleverly packaged to
                            resemble a rose on a stem, under the mark
                            PANTYROSE BOUQUET. There is no such thing as
                            a PANTYROSE and the word BOUQUET does not
                            describe lingerie. But the examiner has
                            rejected the application, saying,
                          </span><span
                            style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;
                            color:rgb(22,62,100)">\u201cThese words merely
                            describe applicant\u2019s lingerie in that they
                            are underpants for women packaged
                            decoratively to resemble a medley of roses,
                            but is [sic] instead a medley of
                            lingerie.[?] Moreover, applicant\u2019s specimen
                            clearly shows that its  lingerie is packaged
                          </span>
                          <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;
                            color:rgb(22,62,100)">to resemble a bouquet
                            of roses.\u201d
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                            style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;
                            color:rgb(22,62,100)">A mark is merely
                            descriptive if it describes an ingredient,
                            quality, characteristic, function, feature,
                            purpose or use of an applicant\u2019s
                            <b><i>goods or services </i></b>(and the
                            examiner actually cites this rule).<b><i>
                              </i></b>Is there some rule that I have
                            just never heard of that says that a mark is
                            descriptive if it describes a product\u2019s
                            creative
                            <b><i>packaging</i></b>? </span><span
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