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That doesn't trouble me too much. You are likely to buy multiples to
create a bouquet (that's the suggestion in the trademark itself). It
is a bit hard to pin to a doctrine, but if the trademark is
registered, won't it prevent anyone else from being able to use the
same idea for packaging? What else would you call a single item
packaged that way, or a collection of the items? I see a slew of
cease and desist letters sent for the descriptive use by
competitors.<br>
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Pam, even though each package is a single \u201crose\u201d and the
client does not sell packages of multiple items of lingerie?
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<div>I often disagree with Ed, but it usually goes the other way
around - he supports the decision of the Office and I do not.<br>
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In this case I think this is a perfectly reasonable
descriptiveness refusal. I don't suppose your objection is that
the refusal is only ascertainable by looking at the specimen - I
expect that is why an SOU goes back to the examining attorney,
for a second look. It would be very easy to game the system on
descriptiveness if you could file an application and never
disclose how the mark is used in context.<br>
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I also think that the fact that the item is packaged to appear
as a rose on a stem is a characteristic or feature of the
product and therefore the refusal is appropriate. The panties
are packaged that way that represents roses and the intention is
that one use them in ways that one would traditionally use
roses. I would consider this a feature of the product.<br>
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arguing that PANTYROSE BOUQUET does not merely
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color:rgb(22,62,100)">Client sells lingerie,
each item of which is cleverly packaged to
resemble a rose on a stem, under the mark
PANTYROSE BOUQUET. There is no such thing as
a PANTYROSE and the word BOUQUET does not
describe lingerie. But the examiner has
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describe applicant\u2019s lingerie in that they
are underpants for women packaged
decoratively to resemble a medley of roses,
but is [sic] instead a medley of
lingerie.[?] Moreover, applicant\u2019s specimen
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<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;
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descriptive if it describes an ingredient,
quality, characteristic, function, feature,
purpose or use of an applicant\u2019s
<b><i>goods or services </i></b>(and the
examiner actually cites this rule).<b><i>
</i></b>Is there some rule that I have
just never heard of that says that a mark is
descriptive if it describes a product\u2019s
creative
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