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Pam, even though each package is a single \u201crose\u201d and the client does not sell packages of multiple items of lingerie? I do not think a single rose constitutes a bouquet.</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com> on behalf of Pamela Chestek via E-trademarks <e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
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<div>I often disagree with Ed, but it usually goes the other way around - he supports the decision of the Office and I do not.<br>
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In this case I think this is a perfectly reasonable descriptiveness refusal. I don't suppose your objection is that the refusal is only ascertainable by looking at the specimen - I expect that is why an SOU goes back to the examining attorney, for a second
look. It would be very easy to game the system on descriptiveness if you could file an application and never disclose how the mark is used in context.<br>
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I also think that the fact that the item is packaged to appear as a rose on a stem is a characteristic or feature of the product and therefore the refusal is appropriate. The panties are packaged that way that represents roses and the intention is that one
use them in ways that one would traditionally use roses. I would consider this a feature of the product.<br>
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that a non-zero amount of <span style="white-space:unset">imagination, thought, or perception may be required to deduce what PANTYROSE means in this context (not to mention a BOUQUET of them).</span></font></div>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif; color:rgb(22,62,100)">Client sells lingerie, each item of which is cleverly packaged to resemble a rose on a stem, under the mark PANTYROSE BOUQUET. There is no such thing as a PANTYROSE and
the word BOUQUET does not describe lingerie. But the examiner has rejected the application, saying,
</span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif; color:rgb(22,62,100)">\u201cThese words merely describe applicant\u2019s lingerie in that they are underpants for women packaged decoratively to resemble a medley of roses, but is [sic] instead a medley of lingerie.[?]
Moreover, applicant\u2019s specimen clearly shows that its lingerie is packaged </span>
<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif; color:rgb(22,62,100)">to resemble a bouquet of roses.\u201d
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif; color:rgb(22,62,100)">A mark is merely descriptive if it describes an ingredient, quality, characteristic, function, feature, purpose or use of an applicant\u2019s
<b><i>goods or services </i></b>(and the examiner actually cites this rule).<b><i>
</i></b>Is there some rule that I have just never heard of that says that a mark is descriptive if it describes a product\u2019s creative
<b><i>packaging</i></b>? </span><span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif; color:rgb(10,47,65)"></span></p>
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