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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Not allowed to argue weak mark?</font>
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<div>I recommend calling the Examining Attorney to discuss and then following up with a formal response. In my experience, it can be very helpful to hash potential misunderstandings out via phone before laying out the formal argument in writing.</div>
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registration actually looks like. You're entirely right and the examiner is wrong. In the past, I've had some success with just laying out what I'm actually saying. "No, I'm not attacking the
<i>validity</i> of the registered mark. My point is that the registrant's scope of protection doesn't extend to my client's mark because..." (But, of course, put in more lawyerly language.) Check TMEP §§ </span></span><span style="font-size:12pt; font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">1207.01(d)(iv)<span class="x_gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif">
and 1216.02 for stuff about collateral attacks, and point out how you aren't doing that.</span></span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0); font-size:16px; font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span class="x_gmail_default" style="font-family:"times new roman",serif">
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<div>Hi All, Re-phrasing an email from last week to see if I can generate some input here. In response to a 2(d) refusal, I argued that the cited registration is weak because it's used extensively in the market by different companies for identical goods.
Thus, the minor differences between our mark and the cited registration should be sufficient to avoid any confusion. The examiner rejected the argument by claiming I am attacking the validity of the cited registration, which of course isn't allowed in this
context. This seems to me a really off response. I'd greatly appreciate a gut check here to see if I'm missing something in my argument or the examiner's response.</div>
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