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How many times have those applications been relied on in an
adversarial action?<br>
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There will never be a problem when you do the assignment, the PTO
doesn't care that you are assigning and ITU and inquire any further.
The problem is that it will be an attack on the validity of the
registration when you assert it, possibly years later. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/20/2025 8:35 AM, Sam Castree via
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 20, 2025 at
10:01\u202fAM Crane, Susan via E-trademarks <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I
see no significant risk in the foreign corporation
licensing its US LLC from a registration
perspective. A business is entitled to decide it
wants to own a mark in the US, and subsequently
form a US entity to market the product or service.
The fact that it solely holds the license does not
prove lack of bona fide intent and more than a US
holding company filing for marks and then licensing
a US sub would.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">That
being said, if the US LLC will be paying royalties
to the foreign Inc., there are various tax
considerations that will come into play.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">If
the end goal is to have the US LLC own the mark,
than your second scenario is also plausible \u2013 use
under license, SOU filed, then mark assigned. And
much less risky than an assignment now that
potentially could be challenged as an invalid
transfer of an ITU.</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dale Quisenberry via
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<b>Subject:</b> [E-trademarks] Assignment of ITU
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style="font-size:1pt;color:white">Listmates,
Client filed ITU application in name of XYZ, Inc.
(a foreign corporation) Mark has not been used
yet. Client has now formed XYZ, LLC (a US based
LLC). Client wants to know if it can assign the
ITU application from the Inc. to the</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">Client
filed ITU application in name of XYZ, Inc. (a
foreign corporation)</span></p>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">Mark
has not been used yet.</span></p>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">Client
has now formed XYZ, LLC (a US based LLC).</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">Client
wants to know if it can assign the ITU application
from the Inc. to the LLC.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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starting point is no, but I\u2019m exploring the
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this title</span></a> or the filing of the
verified statement of use under <a
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this title</span></a>, </span><span
style="font-family:"Open
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for an assignment to a successor to the business of
the applicant, or portion thereof, to which the mark
pertains, if that business is ongoing and existing.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">So,
at the moment, the LLC does not appear to be a
\u201csuccessor to the business of the [Inc.], or a
portion thereof, to which the mark, if that business
is ongoing and existing.\u201d Inc. has not started a
business that uses the mark yet.</span></p>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">So
I\u2019m wondering which entity should use the mark
first.</span></p>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">I
believe the LLC is the entity that will be operating
the business that uses the mark.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">So
one option is to put a license agreement in place
between the Inc. and the LLC so that the use by the
LLC is for the benefit of the Inc.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">Does
that open up any resulting registration to attack
that the Inc. did not have bona fide intent to use?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">If
so is the only way to navigate this to have the Inc.
use the mark, then file the statement of use, then
assign the mark and goodwill to the LLC?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">Has
anyone been down this road before?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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