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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> E-trademarks &lt;e-trademarks-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dale Quisenberry via E-trademarks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 20, 2025 10:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Carl Oppedahl &lt;carl@oppedahl.com&gt;; For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. &lt;e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Dale Quisenberry &lt;dale@quisenberrylaw.com&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [E-trademarks] Assignment of ITU application -- exception<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Thanks Carl.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">My concern with that approach is, to use your acronym TYFNIL, the true facts come to light, the registration is invalidated, the client loses the benefit of the
 filing date, the client is left with common law rights only, and the competitor / opposing party in the litigation, who most likely has at least a pending application on file, will step in front of the client and lock the client into its area of common law
 rights (and zone of natural expansion), and the competitor will have trademark rights throughout the remainder of the US.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Carl Oppedahl &lt;<a href="mailto:carl@oppedahl.com">carl@oppedahl.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, 20 June 2025 at 9:46</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">\u202f</span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">am<br>
<b>To: </b>For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. &lt;<a href="mailto:e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com">e-trademarks@oppedahl-lists.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [E-trademarks] Assignment of ITU application -- exception<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-GB">At the risk of oversimplifying and maybe not fairly characterizing your question ...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-GB">You seem to be wondering if sometimes the filer (say XYZ Inc) might not really have much to convey in an assignment to the successor (XYZ LLC).&nbsp; And if there is not much to convey (perhaps very close to nothing) then can we be sure that
 the requirements of 15 USC 1060(a)(1) are satisfied?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-GB">Over the years I have handled the occasional case where the filer signs an assignment that assigns stuff over to the successor ... and it is basically a quitclaim deed.&nbsp; The filer is not representing and warranting the amount of goodwill
 being conveyed, and is not representing and warranting the amount of stuff that constitutes the &quot;business of the applicant, or portion thereof, to which the mark pertains&quot;.&nbsp; But whatever there is, it is being conveyed.&nbsp; A quitclaim.&nbsp;
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<p><span lang="EN-GB">And I have figured this ought to be enough to satisfy 15 USC 1060(a)(1).&nbsp; The exception I suppose being some extreme fact pattern where the filer has very actively told the world it is not doing anything at all, or has previously engaged
 in some conduct or another that is entirely inconsistent with any nonzero amount of goodwill or business or trademark rights having ever existed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt">On 6/20/2025 8:25 AM, Dale Quisenberry via E-trademarks wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt">Client filed ITU application in name of XYZ, Inc. (a foreign corporation)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt">Mark has not been used yet.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt">Client has now formed XYZ, LLC (a US based LLC).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt">Client wants to know if it can assign the ITU application from the Inc. to the LLC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt">The starting point is no, but I\u2019m exploring the exception in 15 USC 1060(a)(1):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt">A registered mark or a mark for which an application to register has been filed shall be assignable with the good will of the business
 in which the mark is used, or with that part of the good will of the business connected with the use of and symbolized by the mark. Notwithstanding the preceding sentence, no application to register a mark under&nbsp;<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/1051*b__;Iw!!Nf401RNTQFE14GfWW3o!iyqbusVlZNXV0z4mlxFZwsbysNAHTGQ0XbyPzfFEZB5DG2MEjAnm0PYaXGXjM3ieBOq4PR9RwPat3yg5oqq8L10jnXS64QA$">section
 1051(b) of this title</a>&nbsp;shall be assignable prior to the filing of an amendment under&nbsp;<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/1051*c__;Iw!!Nf401RNTQFE14GfWW3o!iyqbusVlZNXV0z4mlxFZwsbysNAHTGQ0XbyPzfFEZB5DG2MEjAnm0PYaXGXjM3ieBOq4PR9RwPat3yg5oqq8L10jEpK-1js$">section
 1051(c) of this title</a>&nbsp;to bring the application into conformity with&nbsp;<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/1051*a__;Iw!!Nf401RNTQFE14GfWW3o!iyqbusVlZNXV0z4mlxFZwsbysNAHTGQ0XbyPzfFEZB5DG2MEjAnm0PYaXGXjM3ieBOq4PR9RwPat3yg5oqq8L10jyMCu9Uw$">section
 1051(a) of this title</a>&nbsp;or the filing of the verified statement of use under&nbsp;<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/1051*d__;Iw!!Nf401RNTQFE14GfWW3o!iyqbusVlZNXV0z4mlxFZwsbysNAHTGQ0XbyPzfFEZB5DG2MEjAnm0PYaXGXjM3ieBOq4PR9RwPat3yg5oqq8L10jK3VnHM4$">section
 1051(d) of this title</a>, except for an assignment to a successor to the business of the applicant, or portion thereof, to which the mark pertains, if that business is ongoing and existing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt">So, at the moment, the LLC does not appear to be a \u201csuccessor to the business of the [Inc.], or a portion thereof, to which the mark,
 if that business is ongoing and existing.\u201d&nbsp; Inc. has not started a business that uses the mark yet.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt">So I\u2019m wondering which entity should use the mark first.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt">I believe the LLC is the entity that will be operating the business that uses the mark.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt">So one option is to put a license agreement in place between the Inc. and the LLC so that the use by the LLC is for the benefit of the
 Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt">Does that open up any resulting registration to attack that the Inc. did not have bona fide intent to use?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt">If so is the only way to navigate this to have the Inc. use the mark, then file the statement of use, then assign the mark and goodwill
 to the LLC?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:12.0pt">Has anyone been down this road before?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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